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From: Ludovic =?UTF-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= <ludo@gnu.org>
Subject: bug#31142: guix package --upgrade reverses the order of packages
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 14:30:27 +0100
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To: Pierre Neidhardt <mail@ambrevar.xyz>
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Pierre Neidhardt <mail@ambrevar.xyz> skribis:

> Ludovic Court=C3=A8s <ludo@gnu.org> writes:
>
>>> Shall we open a new bug?
>>
>> Yes, and I think we=E2=80=99ll close it as =E2=80=9Cwontfix=E2=80=9D.  :=
-)
>
> Hmm?  Why?

At first sight, to me, it=E2=80=99s not entirely clear how to determine whe=
ther
something is to be upgraded in the presence of propagated inputs.

And more importantly, I think the =E2=80=9Cimperative=E2=80=9D model is nec=
essarily not
as expressive and =E2=80=9Cclean=E2=80=9D as =E2=80=98--manifest=E2=80=99. =
 There are tradeoffs to make.

In short, if we can fix it, that=E2=80=99s great; but otherwise I wouldn=E2=
=80=99t lose
my hair over it.

I hope that makes sense!

Ludo=E2=80=99.