From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: taylanbayirli@gmail.com (Taylan Ulrich =?utf-8?Q?Bay=C4=B1rl=C4=B1?= =?utf-8?Q?=2FKammer?=) Subject: Re: Staying on-topic Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2017 13:43:05 +0200 Message-ID: <87inmnc9x2.fsf@gmail.com> References: <20170323054600.GA18841@jocasta.intra> <87pogxcl13.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <877f33hj7i.fsf_-_@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52684) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cuduY-0004Gs-R9 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Apr 2017 07:43:11 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cuduX-0007Yk-W9 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Apr 2017 07:43:10 -0400 In-Reply-To: <877f33hj7i.fsf_-_@gnu.org> ("Ludovic \=\?utf-8\?Q\?Court\=C3\=A8s\?\= \=\?utf-8\?Q\?\=22's\?\= message of "Sun, 02 Apr 2017 00:11:13 +0200") List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= Cc: guix-devel ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Court=C3=A8s) writes: > Hello Taylan, > > This is guix-devel and this discussion is off-topic. Just to be clear: should Code of Conduct related discussions happen on guix-devel or some other place? I assumed guix-devel was the place. > Furthermore: > > taylanbayirli@gmail.com (Taylan Ulrich "Bay=C4=B1rl=C4=B1/Kammer") skribi= s: > >> Lastly, a trivial data point about possible effects of inclusivity or >> exclusivity, should our Code of Conduct mandate obeying a certain >> position on this ideological split: [...] I've run a poll asking >> women how willing they would be to contribute to a project whose code >> of conduct disallows the use of sex-based pronouns > > This is obviously far from the reality of the project=E2=80=99s code of c= onduct: > > https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix.git/tree/CODE-OF-CONDUCT Sorry, I think there's a misunderstanding: The COC rightfully says that harassment based on gender identity is unacceptable. And "the use of sex-based pronouns *for people who disidentify with them*" (emphasized part is important; was truncated where you quoted me), otherwise called "misgendering", is often experienced as harassment. So as I understand the COC, it does in fact disallow the use of sex-based pronouns for people who disidentify with them. That's why I was worrying. I think it's fine to ban misgendering, on the condition that, should a female-born person feel insulted at the use of feminine pronouns for a male-born person, that too should be banned, effectively forcing neutral pronouns so the project takes no sides. I hope this clarifies what I meant. It's effectively all I wanted to say; the intention of the longer mail was to clarify the background of the position, so people don't get the misconception that the issue is neatly split between "tolerant people" and "intolerant people". Taylan