From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp0 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id mCvtDSacgF9eVQAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Fri, 09 Oct 2020 17:21:42 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp0 with LMTPS id CObVCSacgF+VQAAA1q6Kng (envelope-from ) for ; Fri, 09 Oct 2020 17:21:42 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 483D09401DE for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2020 17:21:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:32912 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kQw5M-0003bd-7F for larch@yhetil.org; Fri, 09 Oct 2020 13:21:40 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49806) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kQw2o-0001NZ-Bm for guix-patches@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Oct 2020 13:19:03 -0400 Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:52834) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kQw2o-0002w4-2o for guix-patches@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Oct 2020 13:19:02 -0400 Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kQw2n-0001qD-Ux for guix-patches@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Oct 2020 13:19:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: [bug#43851] [PATCH] gnu: sudo: Depend on python-minimal instead of python. Resent-From: Jan Nieuwenhuizen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: guix-patches@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2020 17:19:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43851 X-GNU-PR-Package: guix-patches X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Tobias Geerinckx-Rice Cc: 43851@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 43851-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43851.16022639377065 (code B ref 43851); Fri, 09 Oct 2020 17:19:01 +0000 Received: (at 43851) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Oct 2020 17:18:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36147 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kQw2i-0001pt-Nx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Oct 2020 13:18:57 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:42854) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kQw2g-0001pg-47 for 43851@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Oct 2020 13:18:55 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:48192) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kQw2a-0002tc-1g; Fri, 09 Oct 2020 13:18:48 -0400 Received: from [2001:980:1b4f:1:42d2:832d:bb59:862] (port=36932 helo=dundal.janneke.lilypond.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kQw2Z-0004I6-IF; Fri, 09 Oct 2020 13:18:47 -0400 From: Jan Nieuwenhuizen Organization: AvatarAcademy.nl References: <87362qc6hw.fsf@gnu.org> <87v9fld9al.fsf@nckx> X-Url: http://AvatarAcademy.nl Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2020 19:18:44 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87v9fld9al.fsf@nckx> (Tobias Geerinckx-Rice's message of "Wed, 07 Oct 2020 23:18:43 +0200") Message-ID: <87imbjs4gb.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) X-BeenThere: guix-patches@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-patches" X-Scanner: scn0 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-patches-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-patches-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.51 X-TUID: xdPteYPQfqpn Tobias Geerinckx-Rice writes: Hello Tobias, > Jan Nieuwenhuizen =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A >> Depending on python pulls in X11: > > It only depends on Python because I wasn't [consciously] aware of the > existence of python-minimal. Your patch LGTM. > >> However...do we really want to extend sudo with eh, a large >> programming >> language > > I enabled Python support in sudo because it exists for the same reason > that Guile does. Yes, hackability/extensibility makes sense and is good in general... > If we want a less hackable sudo - certainly a defensible position - > that's fine by me. If we do, then yes, I think Python is reasonable > considering the alternative (C). ...but in this case, yes, a less hackable sudo is what I'm certainly leaning towards. Danny Milosavljevic writes: > I am very much in favor of not having unnecessary dependencies in things > which are suid root. Also, there already IS PAM support in sudo, and > PAM has modules--so why have yet another weird new mechanism? For auditi= ng, > there is auditd (even in Guix already). > Furthermore, it makes updating sudo more brittle. > Also, we removed when cross-compiling already, pointing to other problems. > Please remove the python dependency entirely. @Tobias: would you please revert/remove the Python addition to sudo (or else discuss some more with others?). >> that has a more impressive CVE list than a lovely tiny language >> such as, say Guile? ;) > > Python has a more impressive almost-anything than Guile so that means > nothing. Yeah, Python is amazing. Greetings, Janneke --=20 Jan Nieuwenhuizen | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar=C2=AE http://AvatarAcademy.com