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I agree that having a separate 'libvirt-with-zfs' would be preferable. I see now that there's a problem even on the userspace side: 'virt-manager' is a GPLv2+-licensed program based on 'libvirt'. If I understand correctly, it would be a GPL violation for us to distribute 'virt-manager' linked with CDDL-licensed component(s) of ZFS. For now, I think that commit 61ccd756e5ff73b2f8dc3449df537f1c5adb5872 should be reverted until we can evaluate the situation more carefully. What do you think? Regards, Mark --=20 Disinformation flourishes because many people care deeply about injustice but very few check the facts. Ask me about .