bug#24146: Various window managers need startup services.

bug#24146: Various window managers need startup services.

[ng0]

We have gnome and xfce with services to start them in
gnu/services/desktop.scm.

We should add services for:

* xmonad
* awesome
* ratpoison
* windowmaker
* sawfish
* openbox
* guile-wm
* i3-wm
* evilwm
* dwm
* bspwm

And the ones I probably forgot due to bad keywords in their
description.
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bug#24146: Various window managers need startup services.

[Ludovic Courtès]

ng0 <ng0@we.make.ritual.n0.is> skribis:

> We have gnome and xfce with services to start them in
> gnu/services/desktop.scm.
>
> We should add services for:
>
> * xmonad
> * awesome
> * ratpoison
> * windowmaker
> * sawfish
> * openbox
> * guile-wm
> * i3-wm
> * evilwm
> * dwm
> * bspwm

Unlike full-blown desktop environments (GNOME, Xfce, KDE), I don’t think
any of these window managers needs a service, because they typically fit
in one package with just one command that needs to be launched.

Compare this with ‘gnome-service-type’, which needs to extend Polkit and
to add a whole bunch of packages to /run/current-system/profile so that
it can work.

ratpoison doesn’t need anything like that.  :-)

I’m closing this bug, but let me know if you think I’m overlooking
something!

Thank you,
Ludo’.

bug#24146: Various window managers need startup services.

[ng0]

Hi,

Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> writes:

> ng0 <ng0@we.make.ritual.n0.is> skribis:
>
>> We have gnome and xfce with services to start them in
>> gnu/services/desktop.scm.
>>
>> We should add services for:
>>
>> * xmonad
>> * awesome
>> * ratpoison
>> * windowmaker
>> * sawfish
>> * openbox
>> * guile-wm
>> * i3-wm
>> * evilwm
>> * dwm
>> * bspwm
>
> Unlike full-blown desktop environments (GNOME, Xfce, KDE), I don’t think
> any of these window managers needs a service, because they typically fit
> in one package with just one command that needs to be launched.
>
> Compare this with ‘gnome-service-type’, which needs to extend Polkit and
> to add a whole bunch of packages to /run/current-system/profile so that
> it can work.
>
> ratpoison doesn’t need anything like that.  :-)
>
> I’m closing this bug, but let me know if you think I’m overlooking
> something!
>
> Thank you,
> Ludo’.


Am I overlooking something then?

Is a service what is required to make them selectable (cycle by pressing
F1) in the SLIM login?
I know that they all can be started just with one command, but having
them in SLIM would make it more visible as long as we use SLIM.

We could also have system config parts for them, for example to make
the awesome-wm config adjustable in the system.
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bug#24146: Various window managers need startup services.

[Ludovic Courtès]

Hi,

ng0 <ng0@we.make.ritual.n0.is> skribis:

> Is a service what is required to make them selectable (cycle by pressing
> F1) in the SLIM login?

No, all you need is to add them to the ‘packages’ field of the OS, as in
the example at (search for “lightweight window managers”):

  https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/manual/html_node/Using-the-Configuration-System.html#System-Services

HTH!

Ludo’.

Re: bug#24146: Various window managers need startup services.

[ng0]

Tomáš Čech <tcech@suse.com> writes:

> On Wed, Aug 03, 2016 at 10:42:26PM +0000, ng0 wrote:
>>Hi,
>>
>>Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> writes:
>>
>>> ng0 <ng0@we.make.ritual.n0.is> skribis:
>>>
>>>> We have gnome and xfce with services to start them in
>>>> gnu/services/desktop.scm.
>>>>
>>>> We should add services for:
>>>>
>>>> * xmonad
>>>> * awesome
>>>> * ratpoison
>>>> * windowmaker
>>>> * sawfish
>>>> * openbox
>>>> * guile-wm
>>>> * i3-wm
>>>> * evilwm
>>>> * dwm
>>>> * bspwm
>>>
>>> Unlike full-blown desktop environments (GNOME, Xfce, KDE), I don’t think
>>> any of these window managers needs a service, because they typically fit
>>> in one package with just one command that needs to be launched.
>>>
>>> Compare this with ‘gnome-service-type’, which needs to extend Polkit and
>>> to add a whole bunch of packages to /run/current-system/profile so that
>>> it can work.
>>>
>>> ratpoison doesn’t need anything like that.  :-)
>>>
>>> I’m closing this bug, but let me know if you think I’m overlooking
>>> something!
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Ludo’.
>>
>>
>>Am I overlooking something then?
>>
>>Is a service what is required to make them selectable (cycle by pressing
>>F1) in the SLIM login?
>>I know that they all can be started just with one command, but having
>>them in SLIM would make it more visible as long as we use SLIM.
>
> Desktop files are used for that.
>
> $ ls /gnu/store/*/share/xsessions/
>
> S_W

Well awesome has such a file in share/xsessions/, but just installing
awesome does not help. reconfiguring the system should, with the package
globally available maybe, but as you can see from the bug ticket I had
open it is not entirely clear. We should point out in the manual how
they are started.
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Re: bug#24146: Various window managers need startup services.

[ng0]

Tomáš Čech <tcech@suse.com> writes:

> On Wed, Aug 03, 2016 at 10:42:26PM +0000, ng0 wrote:
>>Hi,
>>
>>Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> writes:
>>
>>> ng0 <ng0@we.make.ritual.n0.is> skribis:
>>>
>>>> We have gnome and xfce with services to start them in
>>>> gnu/services/desktop.scm.
>>>>
>>>> We should add services for:
>>>>
>>>> * xmonad
>>>> * awesome
>>>> * ratpoison
>>>> * windowmaker
>>>> * sawfish
>>>> * openbox
>>>> * guile-wm
>>>> * i3-wm
>>>> * evilwm
>>>> * dwm
>>>> * bspwm
>>>
>>> Unlike full-blown desktop environments (GNOME, Xfce, KDE), I don’t think
>>> any of these window managers needs a service, because they typically fit
>>> in one package with just one command that needs to be launched.
>>>
>>> Compare this with ‘gnome-service-type’, which needs to extend Polkit and
>>> to add a whole bunch of packages to /run/current-system/profile so that
>>> it can work.
>>>
>>> ratpoison doesn’t need anything like that.  :-)
>>>
>>> I’m closing this bug, but let me know if you think I’m overlooking
>>> something!
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Ludo’.
>>
>>
>>Am I overlooking something then?
>>
>>Is a service what is required to make them selectable (cycle by pressing
>>F1) in the SLIM login?
>>I know that they all can be started just with one command, but having
>>them in SLIM would make it more visible as long as we use SLIM.
>
> Desktop files are used for that.
>
> $ ls /gnu/store/*/share/xsessions/
>
> S_W
Never mind the previous email, I am preoccupied with other important
things the next 2 days and thinking is apparently harder than I
thought at the moment. Sorry.
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