From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Tobias Geerinckx-Rice Subject: Re: Bioconductor package flowPeaks license Artistic 1.0? Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2019 21:24:23 +0100 Message-ID: <87h81whxmw.fsf@nckx> References: <87pnlz9lro.fsf@elephly.net> <877e869t80.fsf@elephly.net> <87k16si685.fsf@nckx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51358) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ii2LV-0005vr-1p for guix-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2019 15:24:30 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ii2LT-0006Yi-Fs for guix-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2019 15:24:28 -0500 Received: from tobias.gr ([2001:470:7405::1]:33458) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ii2LS-0006Ph-VP for guix-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2019 15:24:27 -0500 In-reply-to: List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: zimoun Cc: Guix Devel --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Zimoun, zimoun =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A > On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 at 18:18, Tobias Geerinckx-Rice=20 > wrote: >> Thank you for fighting for this package in Guix. I hope=20 >> upstream >> sees the light and Clarifies things. > > The issue is that upstream has disappeared, as usual in=20 > scientific > software. Someone writes a piece of code then publishes a paper=20 > and > sometimes the requirement for publication is to be pushed in > mainstream collection of packages (Bioconductor in this=20 > case). But the > copyright holder does not maintain the code and instead write=20 > another > piece of code, try to publish a paper, etc.. Well the=20 > Reproducibility > of Science crisis. That is a shame. And that while other scientists (like you) are=20 working hard to make research more =E2=80=98open=E2=80=99 and reproducible. However, even if they don't maintain the code they can still=20 relicence it with no effort on their part. We can still hope. >> zimoun =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A > >> =E2=80=98Non-copyleft=E2=80=99 does not mean =E2=80=98non-free=E2=80=99.= All packages in Guix >> must be free. The Artistic 1.0 licence is *not free*.[0] > > It is not my point. I think au fond it is. Because your point was: > Artistic 1.0 is free and non-copyleft when applied to Perl. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This just isn't true, and that's what I wanted to make clear=20 above. *Perl* is free, only because it is licenced under the GPL. If=20 Perl were licenced only under the Artistic 1.0 licence, it would=20 not be in Guix. I promise. So Perl is really not relevant to this discussion at all. If I'm still not making myself clear, I apologise & capitulate.=20 We agree on all important points: >> The FSF's legal counsel has decided that the Clarified version >> does in fact =E2=80=98correct the vagueness of of the Artistic License >> 1.0=E2=80=99[2]. > > I understand. And I disagree. So I appeal. :-) Hehe. Even the FSF agrees that the Clarified version does only=20 the *bare minimum* to not completely suck. They certainly don't=20 recommend it. > Well, I understand you are defending the official GNU position. > And currently Artisitic 1.0 will not be included in GNU Guix=20 > because > currently GNU claims that Artistic 1.0 is non-free. > I am fine with that. :-) Correct. It's only the comparison with Perl that's bogus, not=20 your opinions on the Artistic 1.0 licence itself. > So I will appeal to FSF/GNU. ;-) I admire your tenacity. Good luck! Kind regards, T G-R --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEEfo+u0AlEeO9y5k0W2Imw8BjFSTwFAl373HcACgkQ2Imw8BjF STyxIhAAqaWDYq7uVivtGcBdlU0yxhx5/Fgr6hldUNHbK1L93hnMlmsH5OzF/BrC Cc/ukbxep9M36j0Dhl08SHDkYfOj49g7qdbRrra5btil5MX88wcLccWQV3ehtGYp PLTf6pimzQwfojwl8KsAFynH8NDGHumVUWxuwW/ixJs21ioy7iyTMOQ081Q65KdI F+WuOEruveJ9itMPhIl4xcvcDeLj8lIJ2lyOaQsU9cfuYX9V/sYiKfHdCg6S6JH2 hilj3oxh2ljnPGey/zFA4bKHYLDdX9tvxLCu3ouvNFeL6wE63g6VWakWazmUXmhO r0Hseit0mzKIbktdvXBilGOE45Ig0JZcAcq2nLuK0rsPFNgQcCAUBn2OALlaAUbn Z+1yjEfJ7PJqPHktbStu+PYcTeonOKvGLL3yZQKL75ZYxLKitRmruvj04EfSY1Ir ZA86p11O9jeTgTvNPlX/egPpTgOqdAKQGDLYDVKBJOxwXQPB6bGo+/K8Co3znPYd gUVTtrqj4OcbPAWWSlUqepDFKQBi0XM+fQf3MvIEcURmA1Vb0BDEM2JNShXjClc+ +LUobE2+pwFaEMCPALB/uR/8z2Ztx5b66s2bYppN+JCOsXcSdZ7m9WELK3ZQKZDk OL9Q3nMI4CYdWuxUC6IOLSOHyjuAT4SbXbH2TmdkD6elVcYNQW8= =RXhZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--