From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp2 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id yDusLIJtb19zcAAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 16:34:10 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp2 with LMTPS id OGNuKIJtb18hVwAAB5/wlQ (envelope-from ) for ; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 16:34:10 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 50618940274 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 16:34:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:40596 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kMD9F-0003cl-5t for larch@yhetil.org; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 12:34:09 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49010) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kMD95-0003cG-Tm for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 12:33:59 -0400 Received: from world.peace.net ([64.112.178.59]:43530) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kMD94-00006s-44 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 12:33:59 -0400 Received: from mhw by world.peace.net with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kMD8r-0001Jz-Jj; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 12:33:45 -0400 From: Mark H Weaver To: Giovanni Biscuolo , Pierre Neidhardt , Guix Devel Subject: Re: emacs-lucid (was Re: Emacs closure at ~900MB?) In-Reply-To: <87k0wjt774.fsf@roquette.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> References: <86wo0mnjs3.fsf@gmail.com> <87d02e3v61.fsf@ambrevar.xyz> <87k0wjt774.fsf@roquette.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 12:32:25 -0400 Message-ID: <87h7rk8pmz.fsf@netris.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=64.112.178.59; envelope-from=mhw@netris.org; helo=world.peace.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/26 12:33:46 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Scanner: scn0 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 0.49 X-TUID: AajDvSkPMlLj Hi, Giovanni Biscuolo writes: > Given the size "issue" of emacs-with-gtk and the emacs warning on the > long standing Gtk+ bug: > > --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- > > Warning: due to a long standing Gtk+ bug > https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/issues/221 > Emacs might crash when run in daemon mode and the X11 connection is unexpectedly lost. > Using an Emacs configured with --with-x-toolkit=lucid does not have this problem. > > --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- > > IMHO it's useful to have emacs-lucid in official Guix, with subsitutes > available for end users (I'm not using emacs in daemon mode over X11 > over SSH for fear of chrashes). FYI, our 'emacs-no-x-toolkit' package has a closure size of 390.9 MiB and does _not_ have the Gtk bug described above. That's why I use it. Are there additional benefits to 'emacs-lucid' that are not already addressed by 'emacs-no-x-toolkit'? I'm not necessarily opposed to adding another Emacs variant, but I don't yet understand the motivation. Thanks, Mark