From: Mark H Weaver <mhw@netris.org>
To: "Leo Prikler" <leo.prikler@student.tugraz.at>, 宋文武 <iyzsong@outlook.com>
Cc: Guix Devel <guix-devel@gnu.org>,
GNU Guix maintainers <guix-maintainers@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Criticisms of my "tone" (was Re: A "cosmetic changes" commit that removes security fixes)
Date: Sun, 02 May 2021 17:02:49 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87h7jkq25n.fsf@netris.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f5f8e17c091627981162cbff4c34d75f48dd6d22.camel@student.tugraz.at>
Hi Leo,
Leo Prikler <leo.prikler@student.tugraz.at> writes:
> Am Sonntag, den 02.05.2021, 15:29 -0400 schrieb Mark H Weaver:
>>
>> Leo Prikler <leo.prikler@student.tugraz.at> writes:
>>
>> > Let us assume for the sake of argument I were to introduce a bug
>> > into Guix. There are a number of ways this can happen, but let's
>> > focus on the important distinction here, which is me purposefully
>> > introducing that bug vs. it happening due to oversight.
>> >
>> > Let us imagine the following four scenarios:
>> > 1. You assume I'm acting in bad faith and I indeed am.
>> > 2. You assume I'm acting in bad faith and I am not.
>> > 3. You assume I'm acting in good faith and I am not.
>> > 4. You assume I'm acting in good faith and I am.
>>
>> This is a false dilemma <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma>,
>> because you've missed a very important case, namely:
>>
>> 5. You assume *nothing*.
> I think you're nitpicking here.
I don't think so.
> clearly I either have evil intentions or I don't – there's no middle
> ground.
Yes, I agree with this.
> Likewise, there's no middle ground on assuming evil
> intentions, you either assume they exist or you don't.
That's true also, but this is a different dichotomy than the one you
presented above. In the sentence above, the dichotomy is between:
(1) You assume bad faith
(2) You do not assume bad faith
In your list of scenarios above, there's a (false) dichotomy between:
(1) You assume bad faith
(2) You assume good faith
It's a false dichotomy because neither of these is the logical negation
of the other. They cannot both be true, but they _can_ both be false.
In other words, I think that you have conflated "not assuming bad faith"
with "assuming good faith". Do you see the difference?
This is not mere nitpicking. It's a very important distinction.
It's analogous to being forced to choose between "faith in god" and
"atheism", without allowing for the possibility of "agnosticism".
Does that make sense?
>> This is, in fact, the current scenario. I'm not making any
>> assumptions.
>> That is truly the state of my mind on this question, and I think it's
>> the only rational position to take.
> Which one is the rational position now? Not assuming evil intentions
> or assuming them?
I think the only rational position to take here is to not make
assumptions.
Regards,
Mark
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Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-04-22 0:58 A "cosmetic changes" commit that removes security fixes Raghav Gururajan
2021-04-22 2:41 ` Mark H Weaver
2021-04-22 3:17 ` Raghav Gururajan
2021-04-22 4:05 ` Raghav Gururajan
2021-04-22 4:33 ` Mark H Weaver
2021-04-22 5:02 ` Raghav Gururajan
2021-04-22 17:21 ` Mark H Weaver
2021-04-22 17:40 ` Another misleading commit log (was Re: A "cosmetic changes" commit that removes security fixes) Mark H Weaver
2021-04-22 20:06 ` Léo Le Bouter
2021-04-22 21:24 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2021-04-22 21:33 ` Mark H Weaver
2021-04-26 17:17 ` Ludovic Courtès
2021-04-28 16:43 ` Criticisms of my "tone" " Mark H Weaver
2021-04-28 17:55 ` Leo Famulari
2021-04-28 20:24 ` Pjotr Prins
2021-04-29 6:54 ` Joshua Branson
2021-04-29 9:26 ` Léo Le Bouter
2021-04-29 15:30 ` Matias Jose Seco Baccanelli
2021-04-30 0:57 ` aviva
2021-05-01 17:02 ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2021-05-01 20:07 ` Leo Prikler
2021-05-01 22:12 ` Mark H Weaver
2021-05-01 22:54 ` Mark H Weaver
2021-05-01 23:15 ` Leo Prikler
2021-05-02 3:13 ` Mark H Weaver
2021-05-02 10:31 ` Leo Prikler
2021-05-03 9:00 ` Mark H Weaver
2021-05-03 9:59 ` Leo Prikler
2021-05-03 17:00 ` Mark H Weaver
2021-05-02 4:17 ` 宋文武
2021-05-02 4:31 ` Leo Famulari
2021-05-02 6:26 ` 宋文武
2021-05-02 15:01 ` Leo Prikler
2021-05-02 19:29 ` Mark H Weaver
2021-05-02 20:09 ` Leo Prikler
2021-05-02 21:02 ` Mark H Weaver [this message]
2021-05-02 21:58 ` Leo Prikler
2021-05-02 20:59 ` Ludovic Courtès
2021-05-02 21:23 ` Mark H Weaver
[not found] ` <87czu9sr9k.fsf@outlook.com>
2021-05-02 4:33 ` 宋文武
2021-04-22 21:51 ` Another misleading commit log " Ludovic Courtès
2021-04-22 21:49 ` A "cosmetic changes" commit that removes security fixes Raghav Gururajan
2021-04-24 8:09 ` Mark H Weaver
2021-04-30 0:58 ` aviva
2021-04-22 18:37 ` Leo Famulari
2021-04-22 18:48 ` Mark H Weaver
2021-04-22 21:50 ` Raghav Gururajan
2021-04-22 4:08 ` Mark H Weaver
2021-04-22 11:39 ` 宋文武
2021-04-22 13:28 ` Mark H Weaver
2021-04-22 20:01 ` Léo Le Bouter
2021-04-22 21:08 ` Christopher Baines
2021-04-22 21:09 ` Leo Prikler
2021-04-22 21:21 ` Mark H Weaver
2021-04-23 17:52 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2021-04-23 18:00 ` Raghav Gururajan
2021-04-23 18:38 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2021-04-23 22:06 ` Raghav Gururajan
2021-04-23 18:50 ` Léo Le Bouter
2021-04-23 19:15 ` Leo Prikler
2021-04-23 19:18 ` Leo Famulari
2021-04-23 19:33 ` Léo Le Bouter
2021-04-23 20:12 ` Leo Famulari
2021-04-26 17:06 ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2021-04-26 17:32 ` Leo Famulari
2021-04-26 21:56 ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2021-04-26 23:01 ` Leo Famulari
2021-04-24 7:46 ` Mark H Weaver
2021-04-26 14:59 ` Léo Le Bouter
2021-04-26 15:23 ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2021-04-26 17:21 ` Ludovic Courtès
2021-04-26 20:07 ` Pjotr Prins
2021-04-26 17:46 ` Léo Le Bouter
2021-04-28 15:52 ` Marius Bakke
2021-04-29 9:13 ` Léo Le Bouter
2021-04-29 11:46 ` Leo Prikler
2021-04-29 11:57 ` Léo Le Bouter
2021-04-29 11:41 ` Arun Isaac
2021-04-29 12:44 ` Pierre Neidhardt
2021-04-29 14:14 ` Pjotr Prins
2021-04-30 17:40 ` Pierre Neidhardt
2021-04-30 19:56 ` Pjotr Prins
2021-05-01 7:23 ` Arun Isaac
2021-05-01 12:40 ` Pjotr Prins
2021-05-01 9:15 ` Pierre Neidhardt
2021-05-01 10:18 ` Yasuaki Kudo
2021-05-03 7:18 ` Pierre Neidhardt
2021-05-01 14:50 ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2021-05-03 7:25 ` Pierre Neidhardt
2021-05-04 2:18 ` Bengt Richter
2021-05-04 6:55 ` Pierre Neidhardt
2021-05-04 15:43 ` Ludovic Courtès
2021-05-06 17:18 ` Pierre Neidhardt
2021-04-29 16:21 ` Arun Isaac
2021-04-26 19:31 ` Léo Le Bouter
2021-04-27 18:10 ` Andreas Enge
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