From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp1 ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id 4HF6EEAzpGAuDwEAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 18 May 2021 23:36:00 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp1 with LMTPS id kHIeDEAzpGCpEgAAbx9fmQ (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 18 May 2021 21:36:00 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EED221B133 for ; Tue, 18 May 2021 23:35:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:58784 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lj7Nf-0006rT-1a for larch@yhetil.org; Tue, 18 May 2021 17:35:59 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60674) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lj7NM-0006rK-Dh for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 May 2021 17:35:40 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:53010) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lj7NJ-0007Gb-VW; Tue, 18 May 2021 17:35:38 -0400 Received: from [2a01:e0a:1d:7270:af76:b9b:ca24:c465] (port=37498 helo=ribbon) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lj7NJ-0005e1-N9; Tue, 18 May 2021 17:35:37 -0400 From: =?utf-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= To: Julien Lepiller Subject: Re: Scala package References: <20210518010111.7eea541a@tachikoma.lepiller.eu> <875yzgjrzp.fsf@elephly.net> X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 29 =?utf-8?Q?Flor=C3=A9al?= an 229 de la =?utf-8?Q?R?= =?utf-8?Q?=C3=A9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 23:35:35 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Julien Lepiller's message of "Tue, 18 May 2021 07:15:56 -0400") Message-ID: <87h7iz67yw.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org, Leo Prikler Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1621373760; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=YqmLWavW0cJGTMf6WSyeLGqo8t9bQa990BWY8U291II=; b=tHjEN7s/Mhr1Ng5/oR4JXockcaV6/10R/8M2KX9wHFimUlIccNNW8ZCAobm1mdM7BR8XL8 AwdPW7A5YXwej4chLOb1zOVl2Sxqt54aYU+kSzcKsc8d73dcycPBiUXFbjtzKMq8WE+rP3 7t+u6A50T39hJNk3Qge+QBSyFa/AIJLE4V2O0tBCNkjX7A485dX185KvBCTt/gCpbjYKRh mG5WtWP1ows44OFlJEJUjyGkO1P/MAeK4QyHddMC/B8b2SgZX9JGHGCN6dkpCtIF9XxfbZ Q6xtBD9AU1qLfLQtSbu8babTk6Ra948T/0p6HceRGUvhbcdkMOEaD0t1kN8EdA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1621373760; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=Rv+NIir1Kz9JnS89l5CP+zJdhD6y1uxpobZbWwRryGY9LK7ausP23d051zZ01NkauxLiiE +m9T61YY9B4HDh7G3SkZEy4xzN8XfrOtHXrMCOBvAjYUhUk90aVe7tKA7ffMVdMv8AYU58 VflD1aPJGdhcFcCHJF6mczQ802RlBJxHSdNauzIQuI3dvNitatHA5o8xcfCaIig8Hxtnmj eGWWs5zuu0yODzlIN7IlOwZy0AT+NpBVbrhP2Olya+CQ+bXJcUb8/QHN9BeXWe8eHyxXMl 6LCEBnLZIvldU95y6UsJM5xLY2gnwmulWMW0uj3xhELhKu22lXJrUN8yjoj+Zw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.94 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: EED221B133 X-Spam-Score: -2.94 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: K8R3u3Jv49FP Hi, Julien Lepiller skribis: > I think the best way to bootstrap would be to reimplement Scala in anothe= r language. I tried that too, but even the parser is crazy. Could you share a link to that so everyone realizes just how far you went? :-) That OCaml now has a clean bootstrapping story can hopefully give GHC and Scala folks an incentive to catch up. How about writing a blog post? Ricardo and you could summarize your heroic efforts, like Ricardo did for GHC (and it=E2=80=99d be a truly interesting read I=E2=80=99m sure, both for those interested in Scala=E2=80= =99s history and for those interested in compilers). And in conclusion, you could say: =E2=80=9CLook, a major competitor is doing it right.=E2=80=9D :-) (And in the meantime, I fully appreciate that when you say it=E2=80=99s may= be time to give up, it probably *is* time.) Ludo=E2=80=99.