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From: Josselin Poiret <dev@jpoiret.xyz>
To: Antonio Carlos Padoan Junior <acpadoanjr@yahoo.com.br>,
	guix-devel <guix-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: secure boot
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 09:42:35 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87h723v21g.fsf@jpoiret.xyz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87a67wrq81.fsf@yahoo.com.br>

Hi Antonio,

Antonio Carlos Padoan Junior <acpadoanjr@yahoo.com.br> writes:

> Can we imagine signing the kernel outside the guix layer, I mean,
> directly into the store without using guix commands? I understand this
> would break conceptually the Guix functional characterization, and it is
> not very "clean". But despite these points, any other side effects expected?

This subject has been discussed a bit in the past.  My opinion on what
you're suggesting is that:
* We should not modify the store in place.  This is bound to create problems
for the user, because we'd be breaking the Guix guarantees.

* You could sign it out of the store.  Basically, something like `sign
/gnu/store/xxxxxx-bzImage > /boot/bzImage_signed`.  However, this poses
problems with generations, since either we prohibit loading older
generations, which is a huge step backwards, or we sign all of the older
generations as well, which will take a non-negligible amount of space.
In that case, we'd also need to keep track of the different signed
kernels that are sitting in /boot to be able to clean them up when the
generations are deleted.

It's not an easy problem unfortunately, and the number of people whose
threat model requires such a thing is slim, hence the lack of work in
that direction.

Best,
-- 
Josselin Poiret


  reply	other threads:[~2022-08-23  7:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <87h727tazd.fsf.ref@yahoo.com.br>
2022-08-20 11:23 ` secure boot Antonio Carlos Padoan Junior
2022-08-20 12:18   ` Tobias Platen
2022-08-21  8:46   ` Josselin Poiret
2022-08-22 20:13     ` Antonio Carlos Padoan Junior
2022-08-23  7:42       ` Josselin Poiret [this message]
2022-08-23 18:32         ` Antonio Carlos Padoan Junior
2022-08-24  3:07     ` Philip McGrath
2022-08-24 17:24       ` Maxime Devos
     [not found] <mailman.77.1661011233.4812.guix-devel@gnu.org>
2022-08-20 19:11 ` kiasoc5

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