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aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=Ls71R6hg; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.49 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=Ls71R6hg; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: E5D01111EC X-Spam-Score: -3.49 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: yWLtkYMFk1ch Hi, Ludovic Court=C3=A8s skribis: > =E2=80=A2 Under =E2=80=9CHardware Considerations=E2=80=9D, list common = devices known not to > work without non-free {firm,soft}ware, such as Intel Wifi (iwlwifi). > We cannot be exhaustive but we should at least mention common > problems with recent x86_64 laptops. > > =E2=80=A2 Under =E2=80=9CHardware Considerations=E2=80=9D, make the lis= t of devices known to > work clearer, in tabular form, perhaps expanding it. > > =E2=80=A2 In the installer, print a message upfront when unusable devic= es are > found=E2=80=94typically Intel wifi. > > I=E2=80=99m not sure how to do this though. Maintaining a list of kn= own-bad > devices doesn=E2=80=99t sound great, but it=E2=80=99s better than not= hing. > Instrumenting the firmware-loading mechanism would be a good way to > detect problems, but I think it=E2=80=99s not even getting invoked in > Linux-libre (or not always). Alternatively, we could tweak > deblobbing so that it produces a list of known-bad modules or > devices. Here=E2=80=99s a contribution for this last item: https://issues.guix.gnu.org/59003 Feedback welcome! Ludo=E2=80=99.