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[72.10.132.94]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e21-20020ac84155000000b003d3b9f79b4asm477939qtm.68.2023.03.14.08.58.59 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 14 Mar 2023 08:58:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Maxim Cournoyer To: Peter Polidoro Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#61894: [PATCH RFC] Team approval for patches References: <87wn3kpp4h.fsf@polidoro.io> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2023 11:58:58 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87wn3kpp4h.fsf@polidoro.io> (Peter Polidoro's message of "Mon, 13 Mar 2023 12:30:42 -0400") Message-ID: <87h6unmiil.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::f29; envelope-from=maxim.cournoyer@gmail.com; helo=mail-qv1-xf29.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 922B438CDB X-Spam-Score: -11.76 X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -11.76 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-TUID: QhVnPhgEYwRt Hi, Peter Polidoro writes: > There is a phenomenon in manufacturing quality control where sometimes > adding inspectors decreases the number of defects that get past > inspection unnoticed, because one inspector catches a defect that > another inspector missed, but other times the number of unnoticed > defects actually goes UP, presumably because if inspectors know others > are also looking for defects, they, perhaps subconciously, think they > do not need to look as carefully, because another inspector will catch > whatever they miss. One inspector looking carefully can be better than > two inspectors looking less carefully. Haha! That seems very human. > It would be nice if packages that pull from a "trusted source" and > that need only a bump in the version number and hash could be approved > by only one person or, more ideally, zero people, if it could be > tested and automated somehow. Although perhaps that would always be a > security risk. That'd be cool. I think it's not too far fetched that in the future this may be possible with the QA tooling. > Is there documentation or a roadmap somewhere online for people new > the community who submit patches, but someday aspire to arise to > committer status? The roadmap might be a list of books to read, > tutorials to complete, packages to create, in order to learn enough to > be able to help with the committer shortage? There are some tips in the manual: info '(guix) Commit Access', which reads like: Everyone can contribute to Guix without having commit access (*note Submitting Patches::). However, for frequent contributors, having write access to the repository can be convenient. As a rule of thumb, a contributor should have accumulated fifty (50) reviewed commits to be considered as a committer and have sustained their activity in the project for at least 6 months. This ensures enough interactions with the contributor, which is essential for mentoring and assessing whether they are ready to become a committer. Commit access should not be thought of as a =E2=80=9Cbadge of honor=E2=80=9D but rather as a respon= sibility a contributor is willing to take to help the project. The most important part in my opinion is having been around long enough to have had enough interactions to gain the trust of the other participants, and shown a rationale, positive response to feedback provided (which can admittedly be difficult at times!). --=20 Thanks, Maxim