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Resent-From: Janneke Nieuwenhuizen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: guix-patches@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2025 07:46:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 74736 X-GNU-PR-Package: guix-patches X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Ludovic =?UTF-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?No=C3=A9?= Lopez , =?UTF-8?Q?No=C3=A9?= Lopez , Christopher Baines , 74736@debbugs.gnu.org, Simon Tournier Received: via spool by 74736-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B74736.17364951178912 (code B ref 74736); Fri, 10 Jan 2025 07:46:02 +0000 Received: (at 74736) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Jan 2025 07:45:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56275 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tW9hl-0002Jg-6E for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2025 02:45:17 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49982) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tW9hj-0002JC-3U for 74736@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2025 02:45:16 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tW9ha-0003oj-MY; Fri, 10 Jan 2025 02:45:06 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-Version:Date:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:To: From; bh=EDhdulB9tA+ElAhPfPPbVL1XS78FW3XSCrDLyS0z1Y8=; b=XneaVpw8N53mS9c1kTvT znG06tnyE/ClC2BZ1S7pLcHTuZzjptEUY3aNFCw5/AdOZdU2sNXOBwYtc4dw7EJfJspBy5VlUr4xR s5kbXuUnf0jHJ7E2kLiYWT04xoLjGs4W+YWg4h+BXys8FV+/HUvQy0NXpptSiMJi62KxD5ZUJXKbi jU6wu08FFQwe9MlYe7b8imDhYvBtfBt6bPFKCXKIavCIex58+V0oDLsS49MQueViro9+fVnTiThEz BzSpBo1T0tHjiw65FWWrzfEvuER/sCJOhAqp7riLoZlotRQreKaCXSkaYFuxchh4w7NsPiw2Oqdrl W4gNvcBRrQEDQw==; From: Janneke Nieuwenhuizen In-Reply-To: <87y0zn4lvi.fsf_-_@gnu.org> ("Ludovic =?UTF-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?="'s message of "Mon, 06 Jan 2025 23:29:21 +0100") Organization: AvatarAcademy.nl References: <87y0zn4lvi.fsf_-_@gnu.org> X-Url: http://AvatarAcademy.nl Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2025 08:44:55 +0100 Message-ID: <87h667nmdk.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: guix-patches@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Scanner: mx12.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -0.17 X-Spam-Score: -0.17 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 92BEC667BD X-TUID: fpJwiNWu9BPW Ludovic Court=C3=A8s writes: Hello, > As proposed before, here=E2=80=99s a reworked version based on v5. The i= ntent > is to keep the spirit and process unchanged compared to v5, while making > the document a bit more concise (239 lines, v5 was 322), improving > consistency for key words, hopefully improving wording, fixing > grammatical issues, and adding Markdown ornaments where appropriate. [..] > Thoughts? > # Motivation Am I right that the main purpose/intent is (not trying to twist anyone's wo= rds) > Day-to-day work on Guix revolves around informal interactions, peer > review, and consensus-based decision making. As the community grows, so > does the stream of proposed changes, and no single person is able to > keep track of all of them. * to draw more attention to / have important discussions stand out more in all the "noise", and guided by > The RFC process is a mechanism to determine whether a proposed change is > =E2=80=9Csignificant=E2=80=9D enough to require attention from the commun= ity at large > and if so, to provide a documented way to bring about broad community > discussion and to collectively decide on the proposal. * a collective decision on what "important" is? So, in effect a "noise" filter / focus mechanism for the most important changes. That seems like a very good idea to me! > ## Drawbacks > > There is a risk that the additional process will hinder contribution more= than > it would help. We should stay alert that the process is only a way to he= lp > contribution, not an end in itself. I have no personal experience with RFC processes and this seems lightweight enough to begin with. A drawback could be that it slows development down, but for important changes that may be a good thing? Other than that I see only advantages, well done. The only things that I could suggest is to see if we should make it even be more lightweight/nimble as a first version, e.g, require only two *persons*, so that two authors could start a submission The RFC is *submitted* once it has at least one co-author or supporter in addition to the initial author(s). or use shorter periods, e.g. submission[label=3Dup to 7=C2=A0days>] comments[label=3D15=E2=80=9360=C2=A0days>] deliberation[label=3D8-14=C2=A0days>] but I have no strong opinion on these. [..] > 2. Copy `0000-template.md` to `00XY-short-name.md` where `short-name` > is a short descriptive name long and `XY` is the sequence number. ^ "long" typo? 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