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From: Ricardo Wurmus <rekado@elephly.net>
To: David Craven <david@craven.ch>
Cc: guix-devel <guix-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Leaving the guix project
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2017 14:02:46 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87fujbslf4.fsf@elephly.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAL1_imnHqCk51CBqjm0=O43sTV8XYe=BUeWnrM1zXrZ1-Xo_vw@mail.gmail.com>


David Craven <david@craven.ch> writes:

>> vanilla Linux (which includes more than 150MB of binary blobs)
>
> Can you provide a reference?

I can’t find it any more (I think I saw it in an interview, but I cannot
find the article any more) and it looks like I was quite wrong about
this number.  My apologies!  It’s closer to a total of 6MB of blobs that
come with the sources of vanilla Linux (as of 4.10-rc8, checked by
comparing the uncompressed sources with a deblobbed version), most of
which are in the “firmware” directory.  Of course this doesn’t mean that
it’s 6MB in every compiled binary.

> I'm pretty sure the kernel developers care about free software too.

I’m not so sure given how there’s no official mechanism for users to
exclude blobs e.g. with a simple configuration flag.  The defects of
linux-libre which make it so that users have no choice whether to load
or refuse to load a blob are also a consequence of the general lack of
attention that kernel developers give to the issue of blobs.

Accepting pre-built binaries as part of kernel sources (6MB is quite a
lot of binary gibberish) is a strong indicator to me that at the very
least their concern for free software is expressed very differently from
mine.

> But I'm not going to justify my actions any more.

No need to justify anything.  We’re just expressing different
perspectives.

--
Ricardo

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  reply	other threads:[~2017-02-18 13:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-02-16  0:14 Leaving the guix project David Craven
2017-02-16  1:40 ` Leo Famulari
2017-02-16  8:24 ` Alex Kost
2017-02-16  8:38 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2017-02-16  8:40 ` Hartmut Goebel
2017-02-16 11:35 ` Alex Vong
2017-02-16 13:17 ` Andy Wingo
2017-02-16 13:20   ` Andy Wingo
2017-02-17 12:56   ` David Craven
2017-02-17 13:48     ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
2017-02-17 14:05     ` John Darrington
2017-02-17 16:37     ` Ricardo Wurmus
2017-02-17 23:47       ` David Craven
2017-02-18  0:25         ` David Craven
2017-02-18 13:02           ` Ricardo Wurmus [this message]
2017-02-19 11:13             ` David Craven
2017-02-18 12:24         ` Ricardo Wurmus
2017-02-19 18:30     ` Alex Kost
2017-02-20  8:59       ` Tomas Cech
2017-02-20 13:25         ` John Darrington
2017-02-20 22:08           ` ng0
2017-02-21  1:51           ` Mike Gerwitz
2017-02-21 13:13             ` David Craven
2017-02-22  4:52               ` Mike Gerwitz
2017-02-22 13:54                 ` David Craven
2017-02-22 13:58                   ` John Darrington
2017-02-22 14:06                     ` David Craven
2017-02-22 14:14                       ` David Craven
2017-02-22 14:44                         ` Clément Lassieur
     [not found]                           ` <CAL1_imn=D3oEYgUBO4r2dao+a0pypXdwLNxGjPDpRbgOvHj39w@mail.gmail.com>
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     [not found]                                   ` <CAL1_im=K96Prp0bQxyqwQ1RkqzYGk1ZKm=B8tPEQG9Fr8sNPLA@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                                     ` <CAL1_imnRiwOKv6LrviRmRwpS8NbFC7EFrzx5U5XnukC6OUewFw@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                                       ` <CAL1_imkWXa_rm=MLusHcF60hrFACD-R8f4P7pKLgt9Vg_PKxqQ@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                                         ` <CAL1_im=bVB=LhojoTdfE4YNBUD05ykeZb+uSqjcG=59hV3=0fg@mail.gmail.com>
2017-02-22 15:00                                           ` David Craven
2017-02-22 15:30                                             ` Pjotr Prins
2017-02-22 14:30                       ` Clément Lassieur
2017-02-22 15:42                       ` Leo Famulari
2017-02-22 15:58                         ` Mathieu Lirzin
2017-02-22 17:14                       ` Ricardo Wurmus
2017-02-21  8:31         ` Alex Kost
2017-02-21 10:26 ` Leaving the guix project (rust question) ng0
2017-02-21 17:40   ` Leaving the guix project Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2017-03-06  9:44 ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-03-10 20:20   ` David Craven
2017-03-10 21:39     ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-03-11 11:57       ` ng0
2017-03-11  1:30     ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
     [not found] <mailman.54233.1487782142.22739.guix-devel@gnu.org>
2017-02-22 17:29 ` Rodger Fox

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