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From: Pierre Neidhardt <mail@ambrevar.xyz>
To: Pjotr Prins <pjotr.public12@thebird.nl>
Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: A "cosmetic changes" commit that removes security fixes
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 19:40:36 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87fsz7isbv.fsf@ambrevar.xyz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210429141423.qtji4lsuaox7wfdk@thebird.nl>

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Hi Pjotr,

I haven't really followed the issue, so I couldn't say whether the
decision taken by the core maintainers was right or not.

However, I find that your message is insightful in that it raises a few
questions on _how_ this decision was taken.

> I am not a core maintainer, but it should be obvious that core
> maintainers would not take a decision to revoke commit rights lightly.

I trust that it is the case, but being the devil's advocate, I could
argue that from reading this thread does not make it obvious.  Maybe the
decision process should be made more transparent?

Reading between the lines, I feel that some discussion happened behind
closed curtains between some maintainers.  Correct me if I'm wrong.
I don't know if this is ideal in such circumstances, but if it is, then
it is probably a good idea to mention it.

Another question one could ask: why just the core maintainers actually?
Shouldn't everyone be involved?  Maybe the right answer is "no" here,
and if so, I believe we should explain why in the community guidelines.
Lest the community present an image where a few would benefit from
arbitrary privileges.  It'd be nice to explicit these and the reason
behind the various roles found among the members of the community.

Last, maybe a more important question: if core maintainers are entrusted
to take executive decisions about the community members, what about
executive decisions about the core maintainers themselves?  Are there
such provisions?  Example: what if a core maintainers misbehaves?  Can
they see there privileges revoked?  How?  Is this documented?

> Marius representing the core maintainers clearly wrote: This is the
> next in a series of incidents.

Considering this is the main cause for the decision, I believe it's
important to detail it with references.  "a series of incidents" is too
vague and in isolation, it does not seem to justify the decision very
well.  It seems necessary to me to recap the whole series of points
that led to the decision.



So maybe there are some issues we could address with regard to the
structural organization of the Guix community, which could help making
it increasingly more welcoming, peaceful and strong.

Food for thoughts! :)

-- 
Pierre Neidhardt
https://ambrevar.xyz/

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  reply	other threads:[~2021-04-30 17:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-04-22  0:58 A "cosmetic changes" commit that removes security fixes Raghav Gururajan
2021-04-22  2:41 ` Mark H Weaver
2021-04-22  3:17   ` Raghav Gururajan
2021-04-22  4:05     ` Raghav Gururajan
2021-04-22  4:33       ` Mark H Weaver
2021-04-22  5:02         ` Raghav Gururajan
2021-04-22 17:21       ` Mark H Weaver
2021-04-22 17:40         ` Another misleading commit log (was Re: A "cosmetic changes" commit that removes security fixes) Mark H Weaver
2021-04-22 20:06           ` Léo Le Bouter
2021-04-22 21:24             ` Ricardo Wurmus
2021-04-22 21:33             ` Mark H Weaver
2021-04-26 17:17               ` Ludovic Courtès
2021-04-28 16:43                 ` Criticisms of my "tone" " Mark H Weaver
2021-04-28 17:55                   ` Leo Famulari
2021-04-28 20:24                     ` Pjotr Prins
2021-04-29  6:54                       ` Joshua Branson
2021-04-29  9:26                   ` Léo Le Bouter
2021-04-29 15:30                     ` Matias Jose Seco Baccanelli
2021-04-30  0:57                   ` aviva
2021-05-01 17:02                   ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2021-05-01 20:07                     ` Leo Prikler
2021-05-01 22:12                       ` Mark H Weaver
2021-05-01 22:54                         ` Mark H Weaver
2021-05-01 23:15                         ` Leo Prikler
2021-05-02  3:13                           ` Mark H Weaver
2021-05-02 10:31                             ` Leo Prikler
2021-05-03  9:00                               ` Mark H Weaver
2021-05-03  9:59                                 ` Leo Prikler
2021-05-03 17:00                                   ` Mark H Weaver
2021-05-02  4:17                           ` 宋文武
2021-05-02  4:31                             ` Leo Famulari
2021-05-02  6:26                               ` 宋文武
2021-05-02 15:01                             ` Leo Prikler
2021-05-02 19:29                               ` Mark H Weaver
2021-05-02 20:09                                 ` Leo Prikler
2021-05-02 21:02                                   ` Mark H Weaver
2021-05-02 21:58                                     ` Leo Prikler
2021-05-02 20:59                                 ` Ludovic Courtès
2021-05-02 21:23                                   ` Mark H Weaver
     [not found]                           ` <87czu9sr9k.fsf@outlook.com>
2021-05-02  4:33                             ` 宋文武
2021-04-22 21:51             ` Another misleading commit log " Ludovic Courtès
2021-04-22 21:49         ` A "cosmetic changes" commit that removes security fixes Raghav Gururajan
2021-04-24  8:09           ` Mark H Weaver
2021-04-30  0:58             ` aviva
2021-04-22 18:37       ` Leo Famulari
2021-04-22 18:48         ` Mark H Weaver
2021-04-22 21:50         ` Raghav Gururajan
2021-04-22  4:08     ` Mark H Weaver
2021-04-22 11:39       ` 宋文武
2021-04-22 13:28         ` Mark H Weaver
2021-04-22 20:01       ` Léo Le Bouter
2021-04-22 21:08         ` Christopher Baines
2021-04-22 21:09         ` Leo Prikler
2021-04-22 21:21         ` Mark H Weaver
2021-04-23 17:52           ` Maxim Cournoyer
2021-04-23 18:00             ` Raghav Gururajan
2021-04-23 18:38               ` Maxim Cournoyer
2021-04-23 22:06                 ` Raghav Gururajan
2021-04-23 18:50             ` Léo Le Bouter
2021-04-23 19:15               ` Leo Prikler
2021-04-23 19:18               ` Leo Famulari
2021-04-23 19:33                 ` Léo Le Bouter
2021-04-23 20:12                   ` Leo Famulari
2021-04-26 17:06                     ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2021-04-26 17:32                       ` Leo Famulari
2021-04-26 21:56                         ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2021-04-26 23:01                           ` Leo Famulari
2021-04-24  7:46                   ` Mark H Weaver
2021-04-26 14:59                     ` Léo Le Bouter
2021-04-26 15:23                       ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2021-04-26 17:21                         ` Ludovic Courtès
2021-04-26 20:07                           ` Pjotr Prins
2021-04-26 17:46                         ` Léo Le Bouter
2021-04-28 15:52                           ` Marius Bakke
2021-04-29  9:13                             ` Léo Le Bouter
2021-04-29 11:46                               ` Leo Prikler
2021-04-29 11:57                                 ` Léo Le Bouter
2021-04-29 11:41                             ` Arun Isaac
2021-04-29 12:44                               ` Pierre Neidhardt
2021-04-29 14:14                                 ` Pjotr Prins
2021-04-30 17:40                                   ` Pierre Neidhardt [this message]
2021-04-30 19:56                                     ` Pjotr Prins
2021-05-01  7:23                                       ` Arun Isaac
2021-05-01 12:40                                         ` Pjotr Prins
2021-05-01  9:15                                       ` Pierre Neidhardt
2021-05-01 10:18                                         ` Yasuaki Kudo
2021-05-03  7:18                                           ` Pierre Neidhardt
2021-05-01 14:50                                     ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2021-05-03  7:25                                       ` Pierre Neidhardt
2021-05-04  2:18                                         ` Bengt Richter
2021-05-04  6:55                                           ` Pierre Neidhardt
2021-05-04 15:43                                             ` Ludovic Courtès
2021-05-06 17:18                                               ` Pierre Neidhardt
2021-04-29 16:21                               ` Arun Isaac
2021-04-26 19:31                 ` Léo Le Bouter
2021-04-27 18:10                   ` Andreas Enge
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2021-04-21 21:11 Mark H Weaver
2021-04-21 21:24 ` Mark H Weaver
2021-04-21 22:22   ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2021-04-21 23:45   ` Raghav Gururajan
2021-04-21 22:16 ` Leo Prikler
2021-04-21 22:52   ` Leo Famulari

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