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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1623529259; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=8M6A+5T0I3XkjYrZaoXkUVeCWlu/VzqAzO4hRo3Kk2g=; b=ZaTc57vtVd2EmB39AGeAuO8qFaP1aMZdRlXEyHWJjB8cRWk5odmBwOLYixsOdd3EaQoL9q cb3jLsn7nXyVT/LGiUr0PY6d0rp/87+Oz58N1/coRmw6RuJXvIVIz2SsiXWiYhdknBujk8 Kd1S/UVrhFVL3P0Z0HAUWjkaKKa+3H2Glu1GJwh/pzvH6qDUBi7k/PqrQs3rKEYQmAR/hk Ig95ma36SZBvLnZDC/g+w+PmHwmoHe+yY70xDqKGC84LNtNKnaJOECaVY8M+EPW7r60gig QK2JnRd/fmPMEZ+0jiZTWsCHJzZAVYUrkCCXIPravZv+hGSiaoHNG2KDokSDOQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1623529259; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=Dk+bpLweeY0ODl1yiyxsXrunfdF/6hEyfOIQBH/luuUY/xheYgTVtaNhxDV1eRhEpG5uV5 mZNMz61b7Z7BIeTUYm4sLPdURakbKfW+DoyQ0DFiUtccXDdClmQa+isfshh3DBY80iUpoD dAdSl/tNpQpSvjsCg76IhTsUFs7kTzo6BSCUgFRTgpXIGOlCwcMRvDx//WxOPURQ2cLvay KFkjmY5Sgxnz+hPsLW6OV4N8inm7wtrYdc7iAuQooL4RliovX3nmmZ3tESe2hb3HVsiD6I W1oI0NzCCHkli7yz2sgrcH0hv7uF6YCu1yNX3JciK3JaY/qp8Fsu1Zh7uO8dcg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=disroot.org header.s=mail header.b=gjV9ntwa; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=disroot.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.63 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=disroot.org header.s=mail header.b=gjV9ntwa; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=disroot.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 98F45A667 X-Spam-Score: -2.63 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: y2KboRsNvzFG Guix provides kitty a terminal emulator as a package. Kitty has telemetry on by default. See this issue on the kitty repository for further information: The issue was closed by the lead developer of the project without addressing the concern raised. It does not look like this is something that is going to be fixed upstream. The kitty telemetry is not a core part of kitty's functionality. The kitty lead developer said in that issue thread that the telemetry is to notify users of available updates. Further source code review would be required to verify that is the only thing the telemetry is doing. As the lead developer did not provide much in the way of details when asked about the telemetry in the issue thread. It seems that the methods Guix provides would be better suited for letting users know about updates. What do other people think about this in the context of the Free System Distribution Guidelines? ``` No Malware The distro must contain no DRM, no back doors, and no spyware. ``` How should the issue of kitty's telemetry on be default be addressed?