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[66.158.152.224]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x25-20020ac86b59000000b003e3897d8505sm3672424qts.54.2023.04.11.08.58.54 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 11 Apr 2023 08:58:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Maxim Cournoyer References: <20230317202234.25156-1-maxim.cournoyer@gmail.com> <87wn339ox2.fsf@gnu.org> <87edp8oqje.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <87ttxwd9a4.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <87cz4d7y6b.fsf@pelzflorian.de> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2023 11:58:54 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87cz4d7y6b.fsf@pelzflorian.de> (pelzflorian@pelzflorian.de's message of "Sun, 09 Apr 2023 19:39:08 +0200") Message-ID: <87fs96mmv5.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: guix-patches@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1681228869; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=pAXG+knGTuAMWIFQ3b6XxXMcwn/YFkVm2Iq5P6pBRqrjVMkafIVSkKAZXsirde64JX/vVW kPCjNWGmg6TfBP75fvmVCa2kzttvMpsRjUMzs9YGjJPyodVp7IT5J9k4gFgvTvp0I77EcY mWMzwFEJT5e7c/+wd8Bo44gfgdPyqfqD3ePu5psB28izPCg8kpYcDpbir1IjAdlGPvDTTQ f+R/T1K/rP1fUgeTnT8VxdOgERJ9fzsFshJXCDEBO1NWpwA0s4zhKp2Hxp30h3VsYcs4f3 /2JkOGBthzZ1Gc0iCtQlen0x4dbi9X+tCWOpojK4QPHf+jZRmEitIZIl4PaVDw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b="c14VSwd/"; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1681228869; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding:resent-cc: resent-from:resent-sender:resent-message-id:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=mQhpA0UrFSoLx1n0yAefbEo6OMka+h0bIEWBl4ur954=; b=cW8LmVlVhDb/A8UakD3CrL3BeqTmn8rQNWAPnEz9crGsOE79kJhAqLCiu/24JUrFY/9ro6 RDw8ICGXRoLLDmvHJOX2RNsWB8p5q/zSY3PCkFZghh4nqKUXKhEm7sUqiUi86oM006Zv0n LO7R8WBGj8QM/K58/jilyKbiRDQeGG0mgSOpIdUPwjeSPVz14vnWF/mlVSEobHsAWtu97e IJk4bQe/pYsNDg2+ULSUe/6IVnCpBYbf3s4RuesFjCHDqMxOToPpmAMuvuwa01DIm+pXG3 +cbrFKLho2DVudkPR+MU/3shKMqGibxDPDcpR3NPeXNRO3GBLMXbuVO+ai/YXQ== X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 5.78 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b="c14VSwd/"; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Spam-Score: 5.78 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 7A4F82DB04 X-TUID: Zvd/M7WsuYMj Hi Florian, "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" writes: > Hi Maxim and all. > > Maxim added to doc/contributing.texi: >> It is expected from all contributors, and even more so from >> committers, to collaborate in a consensus decision making >> fashion. To learn what consensus decision making means and >> understand its finer details, you are encouraged to read >> @url{https://www.seedsforchange.org.uk/consensus}. > > Only now, that it is already pushed, have I taken the time to read > (or, at some point, skim) the link. > > I just want to acclaim: > > * I agree with the addition of this kind of writing. > > * Seeds for Change is more politically left than I first expected, and > the consensus sub-page uses not only examples that chime well with > free software and Outreachy, but also one-sided views on issues like > housing. Perhaps such examples will prompt dissent in the future. > > It would have been an option (a worse option) to add consensus > decision making to the manual without linking to such an extensive > text. > > Nonetheless, the way it is written, the manual asks for agreement > with consensus decision making, not with Seeds for Change or the > examples on the consensus page. I still agree with making people > learn from the link. > > * It is good that, when there is little feedback, you have pushed it. > Seeds for Change say: take =E2=80=9Csufficient time=E2=80=9D, but IMHO = you did and > more time would not have helped. Also you had already taken steps > like writing to guix-devel and generally applied the Seeds=E2=80=99 > recommendations. Glad you found it pertinent. I had read the whole thing for the first time, and found it had useful tricks or suggestions, and was good at clearing any misunderstandings I had about consensus decision making. I hope others find it useful too! --=20 Thanks, Maxim