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From: "Ludovic Courtès" <ludo@gnu.org>
To: "pukkamustard" <pukkamustard@posteo.net>
Cc: 74736@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: [bug#74736] [PATCH v2 0/1] Add Request-For-Comment process.
Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2025 22:16:50 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87frlrofgd.fsf_-_@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <D6WTZC39AXKQ.2IP46QCJF7Z1G@posteo.net> (pukkamustard@posteo.net's message of "Wed, 08 Jan 2025 16:26:40 +0000")

Hello pukkamustard,

Thanks for insightful comments!

"pukkamustard" <pukkamustard@posteo.net> skribis:

> - I had to think if I am a _team member_ or not. The term is not defined in the
>   document. I think this is mostly due to there not being a RFC on teams (yet).
>   Still, to make the Process RFC understandable, I'd add a brief explanation of
>   what team members are (i.e. members in etc/teams.scm). 

A mistake of mine in v6; we should reintroduce a mention of
‘etc/teams.scm’ or a reference to the manual.

>   Likewise, I think the Process RFC would be simpler to understand if feedback
>   is required from a fixed number of team members instead of a percentage.

Wouldn’t a fixed number of people run the risk of letting a few people
move forward despite general apathy?  (Given that that fixed number
might represent 25% of team members today, and 5% a few years from now.)

> - The term "supporter" is used for two things where it's not clear if
>   it's the same:
>
>     1. People listed as supporters in the RFC metadata.
>     2. Team members that respond with "I support" during the Deliberation
>        Period.

Yeah, “sponsors” may work better for (1).

>   Furthermore, in the section "Submission Period" it says that authors
>   can look for supporters. But the wording in the "Deliberation Period"
>   suggests that the "I support" emails should only be sent in the
>   Deliberation Period when the final version is published.

We could state that anything that comes before or after the Deliberation
Period is ignored, to avoid the ambiguity.

>   I'd suggest renaming the RFC state "Final" to "Accepted".

Agreed (that was an omission).

> - In Section "Deliberation Period" the team member response is "I disapprove"
>   but in the next section the term "disagree" is used. I'd use the same term for
>   clarity.

Oops, agreed.

> - The "I disapprove" reply is only allowed if member actively proposed
>   alternative solutions during the "Discussion Period". I feel that might be a
>   bit of a strong requirement as that means you can not disapprove a RFC if you
>   only see it after the "Deliberation Period" has started. Maybe that's ok as
>   RFCs need to be announced to guix-devel. Still it might be a bit strong. Maybe
>   something along the lines: "A team member sending this reply must explain
>   their disapproval and should suggest constructive changes to the proposal that
>   would make it approvable."

Hmm yeah, I see what you mean; it shouldn’t be understood as “I
disapprove” is strictly forbidden for people who have not made
counter-proposals during the discussion.  Yet, I agree with Simon that
“I disapprove” should be discouraged in this case.  Probably we can fine
tune the words.

> - I think the name "Guix Consensus Documents (GCD)" would be slightly
>   funnier - a play on greatest common divisor (as mentioned by Simon).
>   But I think RFC is a term that is more widely understood and that's
>   fine.

Heheh.

I’m fine either way but I’m already getting used to “RFC”.  :-)

> I will be afk during the Deliberation Period (and not present in
> Brussels) but I think this is an important step for Guix and am fine
> with being added to the `supporters` field.

Thanks.  Too bad we won’t meet in Brussels though.

Ludo’.




  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-01-09 21:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <87r04uljlj.fsf@gmail.com>
2024-12-08 12:29 ` [bug#74736] [PATCH v2 0/1] Add Request-For-Comment process Noé Lopez via Guix-patches via
2024-12-08 12:31   ` [bug#74736] [PATCH v2 1/1] rfc: " Noé Lopez via Guix-patches via
2024-12-12 18:14     ` [bug#74736] [PATCH v2 0/1] " Ludovic Courtès
2024-12-12 19:47       ` Simon Tournier
2024-12-14 10:06         ` Ludovic Courtès
2024-12-23 17:58           ` Simon Tournier
2024-12-26 11:15             ` Ludovic Courtès
2024-12-09 20:47   ` Artyom V. Poptsov
2024-12-12 19:30   ` [bug#74736] [PATCH v3] rfc: " Simon Tournier
2024-12-14 10:47     ` Ludovic Courtès
2024-12-22 13:06     ` Noé Lopez via Guix-patches via
2024-12-22 13:56   ` [bug#74736] [PATCH v4 0/1] " Noé Lopez via Guix-patches via
2024-12-22 13:56     ` [bug#74736] [PATCH v4 1/1] " Noé Lopez via Guix-patches via
2024-12-23 14:42       ` [bug#74736] [PATCH v2 0/1] " Ludovic Courtès
2024-12-23 17:33         ` Simon Tournier
2024-12-26 11:28           ` Ludovic Courtès
2024-12-31 15:23             ` Simon Tournier
2024-12-29 18:31         ` Noé Lopez via Guix-patches via
2024-12-30 11:03           ` Ludovic Courtès
2024-12-30 11:58             ` Noé Lopez via Guix-patches via
2025-01-04 17:28               ` Ludovic Courtès
2025-01-05 12:51                 ` Noé Lopez via Guix-patches via
2025-01-06 10:29                   ` Simon Tournier
2025-01-06 17:40                   ` Ludovic Courtès
2025-01-08 10:53                 ` Ludovic Courtès
2025-01-09 13:27                   ` Ludovic Courtès
2025-01-09 22:48                     ` Simon Tournier
2025-01-10 10:39                       ` Noé Lopez via Guix-patches via
2025-01-10 13:02                         ` Simon Tournier
2025-01-10 16:48                           ` Noé Lopez via Guix-patches via
2025-01-11  0:47                           ` Suhail Singh
2025-01-15 18:44                             ` Simon Tournier
2025-01-03 18:14   ` [bug#74736] [PATCH v5] rfc: " Simon Tournier
2025-01-06 22:29     ` [bug#74736] [PATCH v6] Add Request-for-Comments process Ludovic Courtès
2025-01-07 17:06       ` Noé Lopez via Guix-patches via
2025-01-08 15:12         ` [bug#74736] [PATCH v2 0/1] Add Request-For-Comment process Suhail Singh
2025-01-09 17:21           ` Simon Tournier
     [not found]       ` <825F8319-4F41-4F4C-81B3-2C84A73A13CF@housseini.me>
2025-01-08  6:33         ` [bug#74736] [PATCH v6] Add Request-for-Comments process reza via Guix-patches via
2025-01-09 23:22           ` Simon Tournier
     [not found]             ` <87ed1163j5.fsf@housseini.me>
2025-01-17 12:15               ` reza via Guix-patches via
2025-01-17 15:39                 ` Simon Tournier
2025-01-08 16:26       ` [bug#74736] [PATCH v2 0/1] Add Request-For-Comment process pukkamustard
2025-01-09 17:18         ` Simon Tournier
2025-01-09 21:00           ` Ludovic Courtès
2025-01-09 21:16         ` Ludovic Courtès [this message]
2025-01-09 16:21       ` [bug#74736] [PATCH v6] Add Request-for-Comments process Simon Tournier
2025-01-09 22:32         ` [bug#74736] [PATCH v2 0/1] Add Request-For-Comment process Ludovic Courtès
2025-01-09 23:56           ` Simon Tournier
2025-01-10  0:40       ` [bug#74736] [PATCH v6] Add Request-for-Comments process Vagrant Cascadian
2025-01-10 12:25         ` Simon Tournier
2025-01-13  1:45           ` Vagrant Cascadian
2025-01-15 18:58             ` Simon Tournier
2025-01-10  7:44       ` Janneke Nieuwenhuizen
2025-01-10 12:45         ` Simon Tournier
2025-01-10 13:17           ` Janneke Nieuwenhuizen
2025-01-15 19:12             ` Simon Tournier
2025-01-07 19:40   ` [bug#74736] Add Request-For-Comment process Ricardo Wurmus
2025-01-09 23:45   ` [bug#74736] [PATCH v7] Add Guix Common Document process Simon Tournier
2025-01-10 17:15     ` [bug#74736] [PATCH v8] Add Request-For-Comment process Ludovic Courtès
2025-01-15 22:40       ` Simon Tournier
2025-01-16  9:00         ` Ludovic Courtès
2025-01-16  9:50           ` Simon Tournier
2025-01-12 15:57   ` [bug#74736] Re v8 of " Hartmut Goebel
2025-01-13 21:17     ` [bug#74736] [PATCH v2 0/1] " Ludovic Courtès
2025-01-16 19:43       ` Hartmut Goebel
2025-01-16 20:41         ` Hartmut Goebel
2025-01-16 23:51           ` Simon Tournier
2025-01-16 23:50         ` Simon Tournier
2025-01-16 17:43     ` [bug#74736] Re v8 of " Simon Tournier
2025-01-16 19:50       ` Hartmut Goebel
2025-01-17  0:20         ` Simon Tournier
2025-01-16 17:55   ` [bug#74736] [PATCH v9] Add Guix Consensus Document process Simon Tournier
2025-01-16 23:13     ` [bug#74736] Do you read it? (was: [bug#74736] [PATCH v9] Add Guix Consensus Document process) Simon Tournier
2025-01-17  0:43   ` [bug#74736] [PATCH v10] Add Guix Consensus Document process Simon Tournier
2025-01-20  2:50     ` [bug#74736] [PATCH v2 0/1] Add Request-For-Comment process Maxim Cournoyer
2025-01-20 22:21       ` Ludovic Courtès
2025-01-20 23:47         ` Maxim Cournoyer
2025-01-22 19:18           ` Simon Tournier
2025-01-22 19:15       ` Simon Tournier
2025-01-17  0:53   ` [bug#74736] [PATCH v10] Add Guix Consensus Document process Simon Tournier
2025-01-17 10:15     ` [bug#74736] [PATCH v2 0/1] Add Request-For-Comment process Ludovic Courtès
2025-01-22 19:49   ` [bug#74736] [FWD] Guix Consensus Document process – deliberation Simon Tournier
2025-01-23  7:44     ` Hilton Chain
2025-01-23  8:30     ` [bug#74736] [PATCH v2 0/1] Add Request-For-Comment process Ludovic Courtès
2025-01-23  9:19   ` [bug#74736] Guix Consensus Document process Tobias Geerinckx-Rice via Guix-patches via
2025-01-23  9:55   ` [bug#74736] [PATCH v2 0/1] Add Request-For-Comment process Sharlatan Hellseher
2025-01-24  7:12   ` [bug#74736] Guix Consensus Document process – deliberation Nicolas Goaziou via Guix-patches via
2025-01-24  8:30   ` Ricardo Wurmus
2025-01-24 15:18   ` [bug#74736] Guix Consensus Document process Gabriel Wicki
2025-01-22 20:15 ` [bug#74736] Guix Consensus Document process – deliberation Liliana Marie Prikler
2025-01-22 20:56 ` Ekaitz Zarraga
2025-01-23  1:16   ` [bug#74736] [PATCH v2 0/1] Add Request-For-Comment process jgart via Guix-patches via
2025-01-23  8:16 ` [bug#74736] Guix Consensus Document process – deliberation Tanguy LE CARROUR
2025-01-23  9:01 ` Janneke Nieuwenhuizen
2025-01-23  9:10 ` Zheng Junjie
2025-01-23 11:09 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2025-01-24 10:45   ` 宋文武 via Guix-patches via

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