From: "Ludovic Courtès" <ludo@gnu.org>
To: "pukkamustard" <pukkamustard@posteo.net>
Cc: 74736@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: [bug#74736] [PATCH v2 0/1] Add Request-For-Comment process.
Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2025 22:16:50 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87frlrofgd.fsf_-_@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <D6WTZC39AXKQ.2IP46QCJF7Z1G@posteo.net> (pukkamustard@posteo.net's message of "Wed, 08 Jan 2025 16:26:40 +0000")
Hello pukkamustard,
Thanks for insightful comments!
"pukkamustard" <pukkamustard@posteo.net> skribis:
> - I had to think if I am a _team member_ or not. The term is not defined in the
> document. I think this is mostly due to there not being a RFC on teams (yet).
> Still, to make the Process RFC understandable, I'd add a brief explanation of
> what team members are (i.e. members in etc/teams.scm).
A mistake of mine in v6; we should reintroduce a mention of
‘etc/teams.scm’ or a reference to the manual.
> Likewise, I think the Process RFC would be simpler to understand if feedback
> is required from a fixed number of team members instead of a percentage.
Wouldn’t a fixed number of people run the risk of letting a few people
move forward despite general apathy? (Given that that fixed number
might represent 25% of team members today, and 5% a few years from now.)
> - The term "supporter" is used for two things where it's not clear if
> it's the same:
>
> 1. People listed as supporters in the RFC metadata.
> 2. Team members that respond with "I support" during the Deliberation
> Period.
Yeah, “sponsors” may work better for (1).
> Furthermore, in the section "Submission Period" it says that authors
> can look for supporters. But the wording in the "Deliberation Period"
> suggests that the "I support" emails should only be sent in the
> Deliberation Period when the final version is published.
We could state that anything that comes before or after the Deliberation
Period is ignored, to avoid the ambiguity.
> I'd suggest renaming the RFC state "Final" to "Accepted".
Agreed (that was an omission).
> - In Section "Deliberation Period" the team member response is "I disapprove"
> but in the next section the term "disagree" is used. I'd use the same term for
> clarity.
Oops, agreed.
> - The "I disapprove" reply is only allowed if member actively proposed
> alternative solutions during the "Discussion Period". I feel that might be a
> bit of a strong requirement as that means you can not disapprove a RFC if you
> only see it after the "Deliberation Period" has started. Maybe that's ok as
> RFCs need to be announced to guix-devel. Still it might be a bit strong. Maybe
> something along the lines: "A team member sending this reply must explain
> their disapproval and should suggest constructive changes to the proposal that
> would make it approvable."
Hmm yeah, I see what you mean; it shouldn’t be understood as “I
disapprove” is strictly forbidden for people who have not made
counter-proposals during the discussion. Yet, I agree with Simon that
“I disapprove” should be discouraged in this case. Probably we can fine
tune the words.
> - I think the name "Guix Consensus Documents (GCD)" would be slightly
> funnier - a play on greatest common divisor (as mentioned by Simon).
> But I think RFC is a term that is more widely understood and that's
> fine.
Heheh.
I’m fine either way but I’m already getting used to “RFC”. :-)
> I will be afk during the Deliberation Period (and not present in
> Brussels) but I think this is an important step for Guix and am fine
> with being added to the `supporters` field.
Thanks. Too bad we won’t meet in Brussels though.
Ludo’.
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2025-01-09 23:45 ` [bug#74736] [PATCH v7] Add Guix Common Document process Simon Tournier
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