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From: Vagrant Cascadian <vagrant@debian.org>
To: zimoun <zimon.toutoune@gmail.com>,
	"Léo Le Bouter" <lle-bout@zaclys.net>,
	"Ludovic Courtès" <ludo@gnu.org>,
	guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Are gzip-compressed substitutes still used?
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2021 09:00:20 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87eegcwiy3.fsf@yucca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <86czvxuy4l.fsf@gmail.com>

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On 2021-03-18, zimoun wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Mar 2021 at 11:08, Vagrant Cascadian <vagrant@debian.org> wrote:
>
>> ... and I would expect this version to ship in Debian for another ~3-5
>> years, unless it gets removed from Debian bullseye before the upcoming
>> (real soon now) release!
>
> I could miss a point.  In 3-5 years, some people will be still running
> Debian stable (or maybe oldstable or maybe this stable is LTS), so they
> will “apt install guix” at 1.2.0, right?  But then there is no guarantee
> that Berlin will still serve this 5 years old binary substitutes.  But
> “guix install” fallback by compiling what is missing, right?

Sure.


> Then the question will be: are the upstream sources still available?
> Assuming that SWH is still alive at this future, all the git-fetch
> packages will have their source, whatever the upstream status.  For
> all the other methods, there is no guarantee.

There is never a guarantee of source availability from third parties;
one of the downsides of the Guix approach to source management
vs. Debian (e.g. all released sources are mirrored on Debian-controlled
infrastructure ... which brings up an interesting aside; could Debian,
OpenSuSE, Fedora, etc.  archives could be treated as a fallback mirror
for upstream tarballs).


> On the other hand, at this 3-5 years future, after “apt install guix”,
> people will not do “guix install” but instead they should do “guix
> pull”.  Therefore, the compression of substitutes does not matter that
> much, right?

Except for issues like the openssl bug which causes build failure due to
certificate expiry in the test suite basically would break guix pull in
those cases... maybe that is a deal breaker for the Debian packaged
guix...


> The only strong backward compatibility seems between “guix pull” rather
> than all the substitutes themselves.  Isn’t it?  Other said, at least
> keep all the necessary to have “guix pull” at 1.2.0 be able to complete.

The guix-daemon is still run from the packaged version installed as
/usr/bin/guix-daemon, so would need to be patched to get updates for new
features and ... in light of https://issues.guix.gnu.org/47229
... security updates!

It is of course possible to configure to use an updated guix-daemon from
a user's profile (e.g. as recommended with guix-binary installation on a
foreign distro), but out-of-the-box it uses the guix-daemon shipped in
the package, which, at least with my Debian hat on, is how it should be.


> Thanks for this opportunity to think at such time scale. :-)

Heh. :)


live well,
  vagrant

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  reply	other threads:[~2021-03-18 16:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-14 22:20 When substitute download + decompression is CPU-bound Ludovic Courtès
2020-12-14 22:29 ` Julien Lepiller
2020-12-14 22:59 ` Nicolò Balzarotti
2020-12-15  7:52   ` Pierre Neidhardt
2020-12-15  9:45     ` Nicolò Balzarotti
2020-12-15  9:54       ` Pierre Neidhardt
2020-12-15 10:03         ` Nicolò Balzarotti
2020-12-15 10:13           ` Pierre Neidhardt
2020-12-15 10:14             ` Pierre Neidhardt
2020-12-15 11:42     ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-12-15 12:31       ` Pierre Neidhardt
2020-12-18 14:59         ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-12-18 15:33           ` Pierre Neidhardt
2020-12-15 11:36   ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-12-15 11:45     ` Nicolò Balzarotti
2020-12-15 10:40 ` Jonathan Brielmaier
2020-12-15 19:43   ` Joshua Branson
2021-01-07 10:45     ` Guillaume Le Vaillant
2021-01-07 11:00       ` Pierre Neidhardt
2021-01-07 11:33         ` Guillaume Le Vaillant
2021-01-14 21:51       ` Ludovic Courtès
2021-01-14 22:08         ` Nicolò Balzarotti
2021-01-28 17:53           ` Are gzip-compressed substitutes still used? Ludovic Courtès
2021-03-17 17:12             ` Ludovic Courtès
2021-03-17 17:33               ` Léo Le Bouter
2021-03-17 18:08                 ` Vagrant Cascadian
2021-03-18  0:03                   ` zimoun
2021-03-18 16:00                     ` Vagrant Cascadian [this message]
2021-03-18 18:53                       ` Leo Famulari
2021-03-20 11:23                   ` Ludovic Courtès
2021-03-17 18:06               ` zimoun
2021-03-17 18:20               ` Jonathan Brielmaier
2021-03-18 17:25               ` Pierre Neidhardt
2021-01-15  8:10         ` When substitute download + decompression is CPU-bound Pierre Neidhardt
2021-01-28 17:58           ` Ludovic Courtès
2021-01-29  9:45             ` Pierre Neidhardt
2021-01-29 11:23               ` Guillaume Le Vaillant
2021-01-29 11:55                 ` Nicolò Balzarotti
2021-01-29 12:13                   ` Pierre Neidhardt
2021-01-29 13:06                     ` Guillaume Le Vaillant
2021-01-29 14:55                     ` Nicolò Balzarotti
2021-02-01 22:18                 ` Ludovic Courtès
2021-01-29 13:33             ` zimoun

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