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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1655910800; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=uHF0GRmYuJQrVs6EnG5CM/PqCYFW+oJ5DyjtpVRCGbo=; b=lyjnb0ropB8ly5mXBJN+ig+oRbfbPc0OK5TayJoGP4FzQbB6Y9mxAM5CCXRd26TVN2U1cl QdwVtAymDDQH4lkwhAXR7CpWzGqfmVn1IrckPS7S5ORcxYKaja+/y0O8+6aOqzMDZf45/a YT0IGGZ80XFM4hSckO/I15S97qIsTSoLYGlRzpC5apcpcMokeZtrp2nlAiFFGVtkIc1AqZ 9P5QfnCVaunrOZK2mbzuRelxx4ahGzqNQOw3x27p8qSL7/XEAuHe/faXPFKnarA+PUHVQC 3ICth8S7cNoBYfHokIVsJx84ud3sx8myF8Hb1VrPJQTy0Fuz8ClQKv1G6zhoTg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1655910800; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=JrW6sf7tZGFCQId2BF3XClwKr3X1f1tV3AJVzuxi9EzQ+NgdKRKW71xlcUS6JBsYmWty3+ ehqGSdy+xO96BW4ydtJHhZVydKErv8AAeMq8tjSohAZHFRIA/+mWjkoVY2X0YvfNo75NHH ysaJQNvG8IGEqsQFmPpChKGe/FL8q+2zX6Bq0kkL2Nv5B+ageWVGVHQzHrFEKmJjMWRujp 4/P2GIECR5xgAqVKWgDSO669L3aNzV4ZchoYPojMpWZklI0Fzjdr8OyIpZHHmzeTKKeJCK Iotg9fpgEYwIHKx4qjHXwqyHMJtaIYpcHlcFdMH4HM6bVvU4gEjbOoMax3sRxg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=reproducible-builds.org header.s=1.vagrant header.b=VLk3Noea; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -8.56 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=reproducible-builds.org header.s=1.vagrant header.b=VLk3Noea; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 56C753BD80 X-Spam-Score: -8.56 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: V4DPgtzCiktl --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2022-06-22, Ludovic Court=C3=A8s wrote: > Vagrant Cascadian skribis: > >> On 2022-06-21, Maxim Cournoyer wrote: > > [...] > >>> I'd much prefer challenging that stance than "endorsing" it in Guix :-). >>> I think it'd be OK to reluctantly add it in as a stop-gap fix in Guix, >>> but *only* after opening an issue to discuss it upstream and linking to >>> that issue in Guix. >> >> I get it. I really do. It kind of grates at me every time I think about >> this. > > :-) > > Another option would be to patch TeX Live, assuming the > FORCE_SOURCE_DATE bit is well isolated in a single file. Would that > seem reasonable/feasible/desirable to you, Vagrant? Only problem I see is indefinitely maintaining a patch to TeX Live that upstream is unlikely to take ... but other than that, this sounds great! We'd also get a clearer idea of which packages are affected, rather than setting it globally and rebuilding everything... I'll also try to dig up at least one of the threads where there was some discussion with upstream... hopefully without getting too caught up in that old rabbit hole. live well, vagrant --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHUEARYKAB0WIQRlgHNhO/zFx+LkXUXcUY/If5cWqgUCYrMxPwAKCRDcUY/If5cW qlddAQDY7VCluSnkwaO5ziUhlHn/ZJfEEdMc7lqj7UOzMmfjcgD+Ocn/380GvWdM K6NEBu9kbdo6vRTZPgOwOE+KS8XNCQE= =+anD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--