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emacs 28.2 From: MSavoritias To: Attila Lendvai Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: A Forum for Guix Users Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2023 00:00:43 +0300 In-reply-to: Message-ID: <87edl8anr5.fsf@fannys.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Last-TLS-Session-Version: TLSv1.3 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=81.95.52.48; envelope-from=email@msavoritias.me; helo=mail.webarch.email X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Queue-Id: C4FDE3F495 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx1.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 1.79 X-Spam-Score: 1.79 X-TUID: 6c7+8c8fDB8S Attila Lendvai writes: >> Regarding the forum I dont think any forum would have much traction. >> I agree that either matrix or xmpp could be considered instead for that >> purpose. >> As a more approachable chat mechanism compared to IRC. > > > it's an essential role of a forum that latecomers find the earlier > questions/discussions, typically through a websearch. a forum's > primary user-story is very much not that of a chat, i.e. a real-time, > ephemeral, linear flow of text, sometimes with multiple overlapping > discussions, and as such not very well processed by the search engine > crawlers... > > i think it all boils down to this: > > mailing list archives (and IRC logs) are stuck in time. their underlying = data model is inadequate for efficient indexing/searching, and often lack s= tructure even to conveniently present the archive to the user. Good point. My thinking is that next we miss too things for that: 1. Easy search and indexing of our docs. Which already exists for the most part. Searching for occurunces of words like grep or a full blown wiki like gentoo or arch would be an interesting future approach. 2. We need something easier than gnu info to contribute docs. As I have read a lot in irc for it to be a barrier. And personally its one of the main reasons i havent contributed yet. That I need time to learn it. That and I can't easily change or add Docs. I have to do pull requests and such. Thats why I was also aggreeing with Sourcehut in the other email. (Which already has guix ci support.) Guix would benefit from less NIH imo. At least in places where there already better solutions. Msavoritias > --=20 > =E2=80=A2 attila lendvai > =E2=80=A2 PGP: 963F 5D5F 45C7 DFCD 0A39