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Resent-From: Christopher Baines Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: guix-patches@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2024 14:48:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 69552 X-GNU-PR-Package: guix-patches X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo patch To: TakeV Cc: 69552@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-Cc: guix-patches@gnu.org, 69552@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 69552-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B69552.17103412352458 (code B ref 69552); Wed, 13 Mar 2024 14:48:02 +0000 Received: (at 69552) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Mar 2024 14:47:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47146 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rkPsw-0000dZ-QH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Mar 2024 10:47:15 -0400 Received: from mira.cbaines.net ([212.71.252.8]:43202) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rkPsq-0000dN-Tp for 69552@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Mar 2024 10:47:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (unknown [212.132.255.10]) by mira.cbaines.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1E6A527BBE9; Wed, 13 Mar 2024 14:46:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from felis (localhost.lan [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 617183cc; Wed, 13 Mar 2024 14:46:32 +0000 (UTC) References: <9e15650dea41ee388dbbb01bf09c59758a0e34f4.1709769419.git.takev@disroot.org> <87y1amuxtc.fsf@cbaines.net> <4a24d3eb-86f3-f1c7-f7ea-e9826bf7a0eb@disroot.org> <87le6muwik.fsf@cbaines.net> User-agent: mu4e 1.10.8; emacs 29.1 From: Christopher Baines Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2024 14:42:52 +0000 In-reply-to: Message-ID: <87edcetcjd.fsf@cbaines.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: guix-patches@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Scanner: mx10.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -8.38 X-Spam-Score: -8.38 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 628E17514B X-TUID: z/wiNM1vd/Qh --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain TakeV writes: > I think I am a bit confused. Are you saying that we need to be able to > generate the file ourselves from scratch, rather than using the > upstream source code? > > Or do you mean that we package the first version of the bootstrap > compiler which is not automatically generated, then use the result to > generate the cyclone binary, then use that to generate the bootstrap > compiler, and so forth until we are at the latest version? I don't have a solution to suggest unfortunately, I'm just raising this as a problem. Either of the approaches you suggest above would work. > Mostly uncertain because the self-hosted compiler does generate the > bootstrap compiler's source, but it is not needed to build the > bootstrap compiler itself, and thus seems to be the same approach as > guile aside from how the source code being written by a person vs a > computer. It's the "how the source code being written by a person vs a computer" bit that's key, source code generated by a computer isn't the preferred form for editing, so building from it is not building from source, even though it's source code. --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQKlBAEBCgCPFiEEPonu50WOcg2XVOCyXiijOwuE9XcFAmXxvEZfFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDNF ODlFRUU3NDU4RTcyMEQ5NzU0RTBCMjVFMjhBMzNCMEI4NEY1NzcRHG1haWxAY2Jh aW5lcy5uZXQACgkQXiijOwuE9Xd79Q//ZBrqa1riGvygwM2Y/GPQ23SnGbENHEEe JuSqWTwiqK1dsAjsY2u6RDqQK58mVenT55ygcrUVWzQaTtTytVUaXOZNk0PcZadv kXZ6O89baiN5V2Zk+2GgB6HSuw/74+TAM9mqPSsNjsMDiYRNLZxnPUeSaD9XUJxZ gyzox3vhDdzB4C3abaF9U2q3rSt2eU6iekBFo3ldQqgTD02u+3nAmIcboKMhs19Y p7x9Mv/b1NKlHvHtfyLKAw3zq7CI74hfewrITO7F54zXjUpQUJ2s68mgb1Ne4kge k8FofirV9iZJIsrw16jcNCNeTNMNrp4Rf4/RWC6AfdKk4dFA/6YJdbWBrkibLKlp scfvVyrtnaLo1tQVbSGc7kX7HmctLP5KyZIzc23sfDuSL5YwFq0OQAXzkFPpAFMV Ep+kfz+G7hxL7mFt4N5Edlk6j4aos0dnne990TJHlbaFytAMcWGEjcP5rVXwKuC6 Bj0mX4T8X8xZ2BXQweY4zOLcxQOetZy6j0O4eK6TCWK33uI75LW3zyKNTtTF4J6X RSVDAnzd3sihPcJ0UdMilpZxlG1MF7pC1HTRY2IZxAQv/tHss8rcc7XdDxwxPuGn gtFhyE/itHrQCqEdqhzlh4F7WwTieHrgpPy5aYH+mMUO1cDfRlljxKtc2Ni5uOJn gZCUap1SkOQ= =NS8D -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--