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Resent-From: Janneke Nieuwenhuizen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: guix-patches@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2024 07:15:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 72840 X-GNU-PR-Package: guix-patches X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Ludovic =?UTF-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= Cc: guix-devel , 72840@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 72840-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B72840.17262980855855 (code B ref 72840); Sat, 14 Sep 2024 07:15:02 +0000 Received: (at 72840) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Sep 2024 07:14:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44610 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1spMzV-0001WM-BX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Sep 2024 03:14:45 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:45026) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1spMzS-0001W4-UK for 72840@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Sep 2024 03:14:43 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1spMzB-00071W-V3; Sat, 14 Sep 2024 03:14:26 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-Version:Date:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:To: From; bh=wfMF9p5mYIJ/WrSRtn117wyuRrpW0FqR8l4Gay59i/8=; b=c9cdIyVGMG7DjSyiEIWh 1+h0i+b5YclGcms/M9ibos0YNj3So47U3twRJQQLpW11gbgP00sPs4v62Ndp6uWz1Y3pOTuP6p32v ++tF7fXJQ+gzjqE67ys/RXtnKLcLZKmDBu3tQpLK1C0T2tl1oe/VnU516G14G+OX5s/QsFEvrRWZV hrWWi2tfL0B57HPfAqVqAIuojA10q8utjMXL9Ae+rUAJX5TTJmxu8NnD0PrPw1gfQJM2rAt4Sd84H EC3nnVgK6DeCmbHtm945HXnVUg45ZgeDyb2EiXH7RRbo28/25bp8RvxAAnYeVwdfv3iyfFEyW1wA0 o2I1aqiiwmj8Dg==; From: Janneke Nieuwenhuizen In-Reply-To: <87a5gbe9eh.fsf@inria.fr> ("Ludovic =?UTF-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?="'s message of "Fri, 13 Sep 2024 19:44:06 +0200") Organization: AvatarAcademy.nl References: <87a5gbe9eh.fsf@inria.fr> X-Url: http://AvatarAcademy.nl Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2024 09:14:21 +0200 Message-ID: <87ed5m7lma.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: guix-patches@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Scanner: mx12.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -9.09 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 1F6B0133FF X-Spam-Score: -9.09 X-TUID: 6P8j9Dt60/QC Ludovic Court=C3=A8s writes: Hi! > I realize I did not advertise the =E2=80=9CDeprecation Policy=E2=80=9D pr= oposal here, > which is a mistake because it=E2=80=99s relevant to all of us as develope= rs and > packagers, and it=E2=80=99s also a key element of our relation with the b= roader > user base. > > So please, consider reading the proposal and joining the discussion: > > https://issues.guix.gnu.org/72840 Thanks, looks good to me! As a side remark: It would be nice if upgrading of config.scm / home.scm could be automated. Anyway, I do have a vaguely related question. The Dezyne package comes with a `guix.scm' that uses a package description in guix/pack/dezyne.scm, which uses `%gnu-build-system-modules'. Recently, %gnu-build-system-modules was deprecated in --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- 28dbfdb38f52f5814fb4cba9c02831d2ab0dc079 build-system/gnu: Introduce =E2=80=98%gnu-build-system-modules=E2=80=99 dep= recated alias. 9e4ce281dbd92e3c52b831824ebb1f77023c960c build-systems: gnu: Export %default-gnu-imported-modules and %default-gnu-m= odules. --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- Although the `guix.scm' has a comment like --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- ;; To use the canonical commit that has everything prebuilt: ;; ;; guix time-machine --commit=3D918b7d102c2051c3d6c6ba54c8d265affec5282c = -- shell --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- documenting a commit that can be used for building the package and has substitutes available, usage of the commit is not enforced. After a recent `guix pull', we now get this warning --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- pack/dezyne.scm:69:20: warning: '%gnu-build-system-modules' is deprecated, = use '%default-gnu-imported-modules' instead --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- and I'm wondering what the best moment would be to change the package description. Upgrading sooner (i.e., now) means that a future guix that has this deprecated feature removed will be able to build more hystorical releases of the package simply by doing `guix shell', so that's probably the best choice? It would mean that all developers have to upgrade now (or use the time machine). Of course, we can always(?) build hystorical release by doing $(grep -o 'guix time.*' guix.scm) but you'd have to know about that and it probably only works for the Dezyne package. Is there a better way or should something like this be advertised/recommended in the documentation? 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