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charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2025-01-15, Simon Tournier wrote: > On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 at 16:34, Andreas Enge <andreas@enge.fr> wrote: >> Concerning consensus, I am mildly worried about deadlocks (including=20 >> when trying to modify this RFC/GCD). What happens if some person insists >> on disapproving? > > Today, how does it happen? > > Well, I think that better to root the process on what we did over the > past 12 years. :-) And for now, we always managed the situation, I > guess. ;-) > > Moreover, it=E2=80=99s bounded by an active participation during the =E2= =80=9CDiscussion > Period=E2=80=9D. Therefore, if one person cannot live with the final sta= te, it > means we failed to find a solution based on what we agree. Somehow, the > whole idea with consensus is to be pro-active in resolving locks before > they happen, well that=E2=80=99s my understanding. :-) I think it is important to not think of the peson as blocking consensus but to focus on the unresolved issue as blocking consensus. This leads to identifying what remains to be fixed, rather than interpersonal conflicts and finger pointing and hurt feelings. It is a subtle difference, and it is reflected in the functional aspects of last proposal I reviewed, as they must be involved in the discussion in order to disapprove of a decision. Getting the framing of focusing on the issues raised rather than the people raising the issues into our minds might take more work. :) > Yes, I agree what happens with examples as: 3/4 support the proposal and > 1/4 disagree? Yes, I worry then you are starting to approach voting, where it is more important to rally your supporters than discuss with and understand those who think most differently. With consensus process, it is often a good strategy to get the feedback and build understanding with the people most likely to dissent, by honestly listening to their perspective, rather than starting off with a majority opinion of what "everybody" already agrees with, and then pressuring everyone else to go along with it. live well, vagrant --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHUEARYKAB0WIQRlgHNhO/zFx+LkXUXcUY/If5cWqgUCZ4hEtgAKCRDcUY/If5cW qt0HAQDaUVXL6jhcSs/xoJxRovBUjjGYeUVV6rdcHx8hMOUGCQEA1H+t4Zsl5esW pcL/4UIhFIA/C5Tu5lUy8hGHaMkjwgo= =PY+I -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--