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From: Stefan Huchler <stefan.huchler@mail.de>
To: guix-devel@gnu.org
Cc: Dmitry Alexandrov <321942@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Proposal to remove the off-topic, not free software related thoughtcrime accusations from the Guix project pages on GNU.ORG websitew
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 18:18:52 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87d0f4zi8j.fsf@mail.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: lfts25j5.321942@gmail.com

> Wow!  Ease off a bit!
>
> You might not noticed that, but today Guix is the most vivid part of
> GNU.  And I could not image an action, that might cause more damage to
> GNU project, than urging Guix lead developers to leave.  Even if you
> believe that forking software over political discord is good thing to
> do (despite it does not align well with the rest of your message), by
> all means, you would not able to outcompete them, so it would simply
> ended in Guix out of GNU.  So it even more harmful than urging RMS to
> leave.  After all, RMS is mortal and, alas, will leave us and GNU
> sooner or later, while Guix is not necessary.

I am a Lisp developer mostly Elisp and a Nixos User and have on one
Machine Guix system installed, I believe in Free Software yet I don't
get how on the Guix Website a Article against RMS could be posted and
despite some issues with Nixos partly because of technical reasons but
more so of ideological reasons feel not welcome in the Guix community to
phrase it mildly.

That some devs in a team have different oppinions is one thing but that
they post it on the guix.gnu.org website really puts me off
completely. When that stands on that website, everybody implicitly that
works for that project also stands for that if they want to or not.

That are my opinions I at least have not written a bug report or feature
request here because of that incident and likely more feedback including
some code that could have come in the future from me stands in question.

So surely seperately fork one small linux distro over that is maybe not
very clever, but maybe the FSF should be forked and then yes maybe it's
nessesary to have more forks of projects, when the differences become to
big.

Many similar projects exist because 1 uses GPL and one uses BSD, so if
peopl want a GPL + SJW Edition implicit or explicit in some cases:

https://www.zdnet.com/article/you-cant-open-source-license-morality/

I also don't trust people that can't logically think or cite people
correctly and attack people on strawman arguments on writing good code.

But I don't know your internal processes inside GNU, but I can only say
that for (at least some) outsiders like me it all looks like a big red
flag.

My 2 cents.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-10-10 17:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <1c9dc59c-0594-6921-73e8-b173e558b5c3@vapaa.xyz>
2019-10-10  2:37   ` Proposal to remove the off-topic, not free software related thoughtcrime accusations from the Guix project pages on GNU.ORG websitew Jean Louis
2019-10-10 11:39     ` Dmitry Alexandrov
2019-10-10 12:14       ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 12:14       ` Jean Louis
     [not found]       ` <A1FC0648-04C9-4125-90E5-A4ED6E69128E@gnu.support>
2019-10-10 12:39         ` Dmitry Alexandrov
2019-10-10 12:39         ` Dmitry Alexandrov
     [not found]         ` <5zkw22sb.321942@gmail.com>
2019-10-10 17:48           ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 17:48           ` Jean Louis
     [not found]           ` <32731221-C09D-4E6B-8642-1600A5D56E64@gnu.support>
2019-10-10 20:29             ` Dmitry Alexandrov
2019-10-10 21:02               ` Jean Louis
     [not found]                 ` <12e09212-a64a-8e92-da5b-e2702e62f4d0@ninthfloor.org>
     [not found]                   ` <73a57e69-4c38-67fc-31f5-32424415fcb1@vapaa.xyz>
     [not found]                     ` <c9b470fe-eafe-35d1-7e43-82f9f240298e@ninthfloor.org>
2019-10-12  9:19                       ` Jean Louis
2019-10-13 13:05                         ` Kete via Discussions about the development of the GNU system
2019-10-13 23:43                           ` Alexandre François Garreau
2019-10-14  6:53                           ` František Kučera
2019-10-14  7:46                             ` Reminder to keep posts on topic Ricardo Wurmus
2019-10-14 15:17                               ` Mikhail Kryshen
2019-10-14 16:14                                 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-10-10 16:18       ` Stefan Huchler [this message]
2019-10-10 16:44     ` Proposal to remove the off-topic, not free software related thoughtcrime accusations from the Guix project pages on GNU.ORG websitew ng0
2019-10-10 22:23       ` Reminder to remain civil Ricardo Wurmus
2019-10-12  4:19         ` Jens Mølgaard
2019-10-12  8:32           ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-10-13 19:54             ` Quiliro Ordóñez
2019-10-13 20:07               ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-10-13 20:18                 ` Quiliro Ordóñez
2019-10-14  7:41                   ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-10-14 18:26                     ` quiliro
2019-10-14 19:52                       ` Tonton
2019-10-15  0:01                         ` ison
2019-10-15  2:27                           ` Quiliro Ordóñez
2019-10-15  3:08                         ` Quiliro Ordóñez
2019-10-15  4:44                     ` Quiliro Ordóñez
2019-10-11 15:14       ` Proposal to remove the off-topic, not free software related thoughtcrime accusations from the Guix project pages on GNU.ORG websitew Ruben Safir
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     [not found]       ` <20191010061705.GH27628@protected.rcdrun.com>
     [not found]         ` <E1iISGu-0007K1-GD@fencepost.gnu.org>
     [not found]           ` <20191010070606.GW27628@protected.rcdrun.com>
     [not found]             ` <E1iJLyu-0007MQ-Cf@fencepost.gnu.org>
     [not found]               ` <E1iJpPR-00015B-9D@fencepost.gnu.org>
2019-10-14 10:07                 ` (Really) Free Software future Was: Re: Proposal to remove the off-topic, Svante Signell
2019-10-14 15:26                   ` Jesse Gibbons
2019-10-14 16:13                   ` Paul Smith
2019-10-14 16:52                     ` (Really) Free Software future Svante Signell
2019-10-14 18:16                       ` Paul Smith
2019-10-14 18:32                         ` Alexander Vdolainen
2019-10-14 18:59                           ` Jesse Gibbons
2019-10-14 19:18                             ` Alexander Vdolainen
2019-10-14 19:35                             ` marinus.savoritias
2019-10-14 20:49                               ` Stefan Huchler
2019-10-19 23:00                                 ` (Really) Free Software future in the light of systemd Dmitry Alexandrov
2019-10-21 17:58                                   ` Jean Louis
2019-12-15  3:23                                     ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-14 19:11                           ` (Really) Free Software future Paul Smith
2019-10-14 19:22                             ` Alexander Vdolainen
2019-10-14 19:11                         ` marinus.savoritias
2019-10-15  2:41                           ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-15 19:56                             ` Svante Signell
2019-10-15 20:31                               ` marinus.savoritias
2019-10-15 21:00                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2019-10-16  6:00                               ` Jean Louis
2019-10-16 18:40                                 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2019-10-16 18:51                                   ` Jean Louis
2019-10-18  3:10                                 ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-14 18:42                       ` Jesse Gibbons
2019-10-15  9:07                       ` Ricardo Wurmus
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     [not found]   ` <20191010102435.GF27628@protected.rcdrun.com>
     [not found]     ` <4828739.2SfjHLgCXR@pc-713>
2019-10-12 11:37       ` Proposal to remove the off-topic, not free software related thoughtcrime accusations from the Guix project pages on GNU.ORG websitew Jean Louis

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