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* bug#45826: SBCL / Common Lisp packages fail to build on aarch64
@ 2021-01-12 21:04 Leo Famulari
  2021-01-13 21:03 ` Guillaume Le Vaillant
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Leo Famulari @ 2021-01-12 21:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 45826

I noticed that many Common Lisp or SBCL-related packages are failing to
build on the aarc64 platform on our build farm, due the failure to build
SBCL:

From the log of <https://ci.guix.gnu.org/build/180326/details>:

------
//entering make-target-2.sh
//doing warm init - compilation phase
This is SBCL 2.1.0, an implementation of ANSI Common Lisp.
More information about SBCL is available at <http://www.sbcl.org/>.

SBCL is free software, provided as is, with absolutely no warranty.
It is mostly in the public domain; some portions are provided under
BSD-style licenses.  See the CREDITS and COPYING files in the
distribution for more information.
Initial page table:
Gen  Boxed   Code    Raw  LgBox LgCode  LgRaw  Pin       Alloc     Waste        Trig      WP GCs Mem-age
 6     397    250      0      0      0      0    0    42335440     66352     2000000     647   0  0.0000
           Total bytes allocated    =      42335440
           Dynamic-space-size bytes =    3221225472
COLD-INIT... (Length(TLFs)= 9736)
Disassembler: 72 printers, 0 prefilters, 4 labelers
CORRUPTION WARNING in SBCL pid 1774 tid 1774:
Memory fault at 0xfffffffffffffffa (pc=0x1002199f70)
The integrity of this image is possibly compromised.
Exiting.
Error opening /dev/tty: No such device or address
Welcome to LDB, a low-level debugger for the Lisp runtime environment.
ldb> 
real	0m6.120s
user	0m5.958s
sys	0m0.137s
command "sh" "make.sh" "clisp" "--prefix=/gnu/store/j1ciw4dc8iskd5fdcw0s1ba08kkg7vx6-sbcl-2.1.0" "--dynamic-space-size=3072" "--with-sb-core-compression" "--with-sb-xref-for-internals" failed with status 1
------

It appears that SBCL can support this platform. However, until we make
it work, I plan to remove aarch64 from the "supported-systems" of sbcl,
to avoid attempting these builds.




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* bug#45826: SBCL / Common Lisp packages fail to build on aarch64
  2021-01-12 21:04 bug#45826: SBCL / Common Lisp packages fail to build on aarch64 Leo Famulari
@ 2021-01-13 21:03 ` Guillaume Le Vaillant
  2021-01-13 23:25   ` Leo Famulari
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Guillaume Le Vaillant @ 2021-01-13 21:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Leo Famulari; +Cc: 45826

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Leo Famulari <leo@famulari.name> skribis:

> I noticed that many Common Lisp or SBCL-related packages are failing to
> build on the aarc64 platform on our build farm, due the failure to build
> SBCL:
>
> From the log of <https://ci.guix.gnu.org/build/180326/details>:
>
> ------
> //entering make-target-2.sh
> //doing warm init - compilation phase
> This is SBCL 2.1.0, an implementation of ANSI Common Lisp.
> More information about SBCL is available at <http://www.sbcl.org/>.
>
> SBCL is free software, provided as is, with absolutely no warranty.
> It is mostly in the public domain; some portions are provided under
> BSD-style licenses.  See the CREDITS and COPYING files in the
> distribution for more information.
> Initial page table:
> Gen  Boxed   Code    Raw  LgBox LgCode  LgRaw  Pin       Alloc     Waste        Trig      WP GCs Mem-age
>  6     397    250      0      0      0      0    0    42335440     66352     2000000     647   0  0.0000
>            Total bytes allocated    =      42335440
>            Dynamic-space-size bytes =    3221225472
> COLD-INIT... (Length(TLFs)= 9736)
> Disassembler: 72 printers, 0 prefilters, 4 labelers
> CORRUPTION WARNING in SBCL pid 1774 tid 1774:
> Memory fault at 0xfffffffffffffffa (pc=0x1002199f70)
> The integrity of this image is possibly compromised.
> Exiting.
> Error opening /dev/tty: No such device or address
> Welcome to LDB, a low-level debugger for the Lisp runtime environment.
> ldb> 
> real	0m6.120s
> user	0m5.958s
> sys	0m0.137s
> command "sh" "make.sh" "clisp" "--prefix=/gnu/store/j1ciw4dc8iskd5fdcw0s1ba08kkg7vx6-sbcl-2.1.0" "--dynamic-space-size=3072" "--with-sb-core-compression" "--with-sb-xref-for-internals" failed with status 1
> ------
>
> It appears that SBCL can support this platform. However, until we make
> it work, I plan to remove aarch64 from the "supported-systems" of sbcl,
> to avoid attempting these builds.

I tried to bootstrap sbcl using ecl instead of clisp, using
"guix build -s aarch64-linux sbcl" on a x86-64 machine because I don't
have any arm64 hardware, but it failed with the same memory fault.

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* bug#45826: SBCL / Common Lisp packages fail to build on aarch64
  2021-01-13 21:03 ` Guillaume Le Vaillant
@ 2021-01-13 23:25   ` Leo Famulari
  2021-01-16  9:42     ` Guillaume Le Vaillant
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Leo Famulari @ 2021-01-13 23:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Guillaume Le Vaillant; +Cc: 45826

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 10:03:47PM +0100, Guillaume Le Vaillant wrote:
> I tried to bootstrap sbcl using ecl instead of clisp, using
> "guix build -s aarch64-linux sbcl" on a x86-64 machine because I don't
> have any arm64 hardware, but it failed with the same memory fault.

Thanks! On #guix, Efraim reported that the builds were succeeding on his
aarch64 hardware. So, I'm not sure what's going on :/




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* bug#45826: SBCL / Common Lisp packages fail to build on aarch64
  2021-01-13 23:25   ` Leo Famulari
@ 2021-01-16  9:42     ` Guillaume Le Vaillant
  2021-01-16 18:58       ` Leo Famulari
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Guillaume Le Vaillant @ 2021-01-16  9:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Leo Famulari; +Cc: 45826

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Leo Famulari <leo@famulari.name> skribis:

> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 10:03:47PM +0100, Guillaume Le Vaillant wrote:
>> I tried to bootstrap sbcl using ecl instead of clisp, using
>> "guix build -s aarch64-linux sbcl" on a x86-64 machine because I don't
>> have any arm64 hardware, but it failed with the same memory fault.
>
> Thanks! On #guix, Efraim reported that the builds were succeeding on his
> aarch64 hardware. So, I'm not sure what's going on :/

When taking a look at the logs of failing builds of sbcl-* packages on
aarch64-linux (for example at [1] for master or at [2] for staging),
I saw that the build jobs try to build sbcl (which is currently failing)
for every package.

I would have expected the builds for sbcl-* packages to be marked as
"failed because missing dependency" given that the main dependency of
the asdf-build-system/sbcl failed to build. Instead the build farm is
trying to rebuild sbcl over and over, which wastes quite some time and
resources.

It looks like the dependencies of the build system are not considered as
dependencies for the packages that use this build system.
Am I missing something?

[1] https://ci.guix.gnu.org/eval/31355?status=failed
[2] https://ci.guix.gnu.org/eval/20644?status=failed

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* bug#45826: SBCL / Common Lisp packages fail to build on aarch64
  2021-01-16  9:42     ` Guillaume Le Vaillant
@ 2021-01-16 18:58       ` Leo Famulari
  2021-01-17  9:29         ` Mathieu Othacehe
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Leo Famulari @ 2021-01-16 18:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Guillaume Le Vaillant; +Cc: 45826, Mathieu Othacehe, guix-sysadmin

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On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 10:42:58AM +0100, Guillaume Le Vaillant wrote:
> When taking a look at the logs of failing builds of sbcl-* packages on
> aarch64-linux (for example at [1] for master or at [2] for staging),
> I saw that the build jobs try to build sbcl (which is currently failing)
> for every package.
> 
> I would have expected the builds for sbcl-* packages to be marked as
> "failed because missing dependency" given that the main dependency of
> the asdf-build-system/sbcl failed to build. Instead the build farm is
> trying to rebuild sbcl over and over, which wastes quite some time and
> resources.
> 
> It looks like the dependencies of the build system are not considered as
> dependencies for the packages that use this build system.
> Am I missing something?

That's a good observation. I hadn't thought of it.

I'm CC-ing Mathieu Othacehe and guix-sysadmin so that we can disable
these builds until we can fix the bug for real. Mathieu: this might
explain why the build farm is spending all its effort on aarch64.

By the way, SBCL can be built for aarch64 according to Efraim:

http://logs.guix.gnu.org/guix/2021-01-13.log#105652

So, the original point of this bug is obviated, and I'm re-titling it to
address your observation, Guillaume.

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* bug#45826: SBCL / Common Lisp packages fail to build on aarch64
  2021-01-16 18:58       ` Leo Famulari
@ 2021-01-17  9:29         ` Mathieu Othacehe
  2021-01-17 11:35           ` Christopher Baines
  2021-01-17 19:11           ` Leo Famulari
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Mathieu Othacehe @ 2021-01-17  9:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Leo Famulari; +Cc: 45826, guix-sysadmin


Hello Leo & Guillaume,

> That's a good observation. I hadn't thought of it.
>
> I'm CC-ing Mathieu Othacehe and guix-sysadmin so that we can disable
> these builds until we can fix the bug for real. Mathieu: this might
> explain why the build farm is spending all its effort on aarch64.

If we want to disable SBCL builds temporarily we can do something
similar to what I did to disable Rust builds on non-x86_64 architectures
here: 0ed631866cc0b7cece2b0a0b50e39b37ae91bb67.

Regarding the rebuilding that is a limitation of the new Cuirass remote
building mechanism I am aware of and I need to solve. As build failures
are only cached of the machine performing the build and the builds are
now distributed to all the machines across the build farm, we need to
find a way to centralize the builds failure cache.

It would also be nice to optionally publish the build failures cache so
that the user doesn't try to build a package that is known to be failing
on the build farm. Chris, have you encountered this issue with the Build
Coordinator?

Thanks,

Mathieu




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* bug#45826: SBCL / Common Lisp packages fail to build on aarch64
  2021-01-17  9:29         ` Mathieu Othacehe
@ 2021-01-17 11:35           ` Christopher Baines
  2021-01-18 13:36             ` Mathieu Othacehe
  2021-01-17 19:11           ` Leo Famulari
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Christopher Baines @ 2021-01-17 11:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Mathieu Othacehe; +Cc: 45826, guix-sysadmin

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Mathieu Othacehe <othacehe@gnu.org> writes:

> Hello Leo & Guillaume,
>
>> That's a good observation. I hadn't thought of it.
>>
>> I'm CC-ing Mathieu Othacehe and guix-sysadmin so that we can disable
>> these builds until we can fix the bug for real. Mathieu: this might
>> explain why the build farm is spending all its effort on aarch64.
>
> If we want to disable SBCL builds temporarily we can do something
> similar to what I did to disable Rust builds on non-x86_64 architectures
> here: 0ed631866cc0b7cece2b0a0b50e39b37ae91bb67.
>
> Regarding the rebuilding that is a limitation of the new Cuirass remote
> building mechanism I am aware of and I need to solve. As build failures
> are only cached of the machine performing the build and the builds are
> now distributed to all the machines across the build farm, we need to
> find a way to centralize the builds failure cache.
>
> It would also be nice to optionally publish the build failures cache so
> that the user doesn't try to build a package that is known to be failing
> on the build farm. Chris, have you encountered this issue with the Build
> Coordinator?

Not really. The first thing to note is that I'm running the Guix Build
Coordinator currently without the guix-daemon --cache-failures option,
in fact it's probably unwise to do so, as it would mean that rather than
some builds taking place, the guix-daemon could just return a cached
failure. I should probably mention this in the README.

The way this situation is dealt with in the Guix Build Coordinator is
simplified by the agents not attempting builds where the derivation
inputs aren't present. If an agent is unable to ensure all the inputs
are present, it just reports this to the coordinator.

The behaviour is configurable, but the default missing inputs hook will
submit a new build for a missing input, but only if one doesn't already
exist. Because of this, you don't get the behaviour where some missing
prerequisite that fails to built is built over and over again, every
time you try and build a derivation that uses it.

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* bug#45826: SBCL / Common Lisp packages fail to build on aarch64
  2021-01-17  9:29         ` Mathieu Othacehe
  2021-01-17 11:35           ` Christopher Baines
@ 2021-01-17 19:11           ` Leo Famulari
  2021-01-17 19:37             ` Efraim Flashner
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Leo Famulari @ 2021-01-17 19:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Mathieu Othacehe; +Cc: 45826, guix-sysadmin

On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 10:29:49AM +0100, Mathieu Othacehe wrote:
> If we want to disable SBCL builds temporarily we can do something
> similar to what I did to disable Rust builds on non-x86_64 architectures
> here: 0ed631866cc0b7cece2b0a0b50e39b37ae91bb67.

------
diff --git a/gnu/packages/rust.scm b/gnu/packages/rust.scm
index 35a96b5754..91b5d6b6ec 100644
--- a/gnu/packages/rust.scm
+++ b/gnu/packages/rust.scm
@@ -452,6 +452,7 @@ test = { path = \"../libtest\" }
             (variable "LIBRARY_PATH")
             (files '("lib" "lib64")))))
 
+    (supported-systems '("x86_64-linux"))
     (synopsis "Compiler for the Rust programming language")
     (description "Rust is a systems programming language that provides memory
 safety and thread safety guarantees.")
------

Hm, this would also prevent users from building the packages on their
own machines. We need a way to make changes like this but limit them to
the build farm.




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* bug#45826: SBCL / Common Lisp packages fail to build on aarch64
  2021-01-17 19:11           ` Leo Famulari
@ 2021-01-17 19:37             ` Efraim Flashner
  2021-01-19 13:13               ` Ludovic Courtès
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Efraim Flashner @ 2021-01-17 19:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Leo Famulari; +Cc: Mathieu Othacehe, 45826, guix-sysadmin

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On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 02:11:11PM -0500, Leo Famulari wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 10:29:49AM +0100, Mathieu Othacehe wrote:
> > If we want to disable SBCL builds temporarily we can do something
> > similar to what I did to disable Rust builds on non-x86_64 architectures
> > here: 0ed631866cc0b7cece2b0a0b50e39b37ae91bb67.
> 
> ------
> diff --git a/gnu/packages/rust.scm b/gnu/packages/rust.scm
> index 35a96b5754..91b5d6b6ec 100644
> --- a/gnu/packages/rust.scm
> +++ b/gnu/packages/rust.scm
> @@ -452,6 +452,7 @@ test = { path = \"../libtest\" }
>              (variable "LIBRARY_PATH")
>              (files '("lib" "lib64")))))
>  
> +    (supported-systems '("x86_64-linux"))
>      (synopsis "Compiler for the Rust programming language")
>      (description "Rust is a systems programming language that provides memory
>  safety and thread safety guarantees.")
> ------
> 
> Hm, this would also prevent users from building the packages on their
> own machines. We need a way to make changes like this but limit them to
> the build farm.

Would marking it unsubstitutable work? Or would we need build-local

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* bug#45826: SBCL / Common Lisp packages fail to build on aarch64
  2021-01-17 11:35           ` Christopher Baines
@ 2021-01-18 13:36             ` Mathieu Othacehe
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Mathieu Othacehe @ 2021-01-18 13:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Christopher Baines; +Cc: 45826, guix-sysadmin


Hey Chris,

> The behaviour is configurable, but the default missing inputs hook will
> submit a new build for a missing input, but only if one doesn't already
> exist. Because of this, you don't get the behaviour where some missing
> prerequisite that fails to built is built over and over again, every
> time you try and build a derivation that uses it.

Oh, makes sense, thanks for explaining. I also had a look to Hydra in
that matter. They are breaking a "Build" into "BuildSteps" corresponding
more or less to the build dependencies, or "Inputs" in the
Coordinator. This way they make sure not to submit multiple times a same
build to the workers.

It means that it is also no longer needed to cache build failures I
guess. I think it would be really nice to port this mechanism to
Cuirass.

Thanks,

Mathieu




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* bug#45826: SBCL / Common Lisp packages fail to build on aarch64
  2021-01-17 19:37             ` Efraim Flashner
@ 2021-01-19 13:13               ` Ludovic Courtès
  2021-01-19 20:17                 ` Leo Famulari
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Ludovic Courtès @ 2021-01-19 13:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Efraim Flashner; +Cc: 45826, guix-sysadmin

Hi,

Efraim Flashner <efraim@flashner.co.il> skribis:

> On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 02:11:11PM -0500, Leo Famulari wrote:
>> On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 10:29:49AM +0100, Mathieu Othacehe wrote:
>> > If we want to disable SBCL builds temporarily we can do something
>> > similar to what I did to disable Rust builds on non-x86_64 architectures
>> > here: 0ed631866cc0b7cece2b0a0b50e39b37ae91bb67.
>> 
>> ------
>> diff --git a/gnu/packages/rust.scm b/gnu/packages/rust.scm
>> index 35a96b5754..91b5d6b6ec 100644
>> --- a/gnu/packages/rust.scm
>> +++ b/gnu/packages/rust.scm
>> @@ -452,6 +452,7 @@ test = { path = \"../libtest\" }
>>              (variable "LIBRARY_PATH")
>>              (files '("lib" "lib64")))))
>>  
>> +    (supported-systems '("x86_64-linux"))
>>      (synopsis "Compiler for the Rust programming language")
>>      (description "Rust is a systems programming language that provides memory
>>  safety and thread safety guarantees.")
>> ------
>> 
>> Hm, this would also prevent users from building the packages on their
>> own machines. We need a way to make changes like this but limit them to
>> the build farm.
>
> Would marking it unsubstitutable work? Or would we need build-local

If you mark it as #:substitutable? #f, then CI won’t try to build it but
users can still build it.

Now, I think we should avoid papering over CI configuration issues (did
I get that right?) by changing package definitions.

HTH!

Ludo’.




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* bug#45826: SBCL / Common Lisp packages fail to build on aarch64
  2021-01-19 13:13               ` Ludovic Courtès
@ 2021-01-19 20:17                 ` Leo Famulari
  2021-02-01 20:56                   ` Ludovic Courtès
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Leo Famulari @ 2021-01-19 20:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ludovic Courtès; +Cc: 45826, guix-sysadmin

On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 02:13:58PM +0100, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> Now, I think we should avoid papering over CI configuration issues (did
> I get that right?) by changing package definitions.

Yes, that's idiomatic English, if that is what you were asking about.

And I agree, the package definitions shouldn't include workarounds for
CI problems.




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* bug#45826: SBCL / Common Lisp packages fail to build on aarch64
  2021-01-19 20:17                 ` Leo Famulari
@ 2021-02-01 20:56                   ` Ludovic Courtès
  2021-02-01 21:13                     ` Leo Famulari
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Ludovic Courtès @ 2021-02-01 20:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Leo Famulari; +Cc: 45826, guix-sysadmin

Leo Famulari <leo@famulari.name> skribis:

> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 02:13:58PM +0100, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
>> Now, I think we should avoid papering over CI configuration issues (did
>> I get that right?) by changing package definitions.
>
> Yes, that's idiomatic English, if that is what you were asking about.
>
> And I agree, the package definitions shouldn't include workarounds for
> CI problems.

This time I wasn’t asking about English :-), but rather about whether
the patch Efraim provided was indeed to paper over our CI problems.

Ludo’.




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* bug#45826: SBCL / Common Lisp packages fail to build on aarch64
  2021-02-01 20:56                   ` Ludovic Courtès
@ 2021-02-01 21:13                     ` Leo Famulari
  2021-02-01 22:03                       ` Leo Famulari
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Leo Famulari @ 2021-02-01 21:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ludovic Courtès; +Cc: 45826, guix-sysadmin

On Mon, Feb 01, 2021 at 09:56:05PM +0100, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> This time I wasn’t asking about English :-), but rather about whether
> the patch Efraim provided was indeed to paper over our CI problems.

Well, that patch does indeed "paper over" the CI problems.

Christopher Baines has graciously given me access to his Overdrive 1000
(monokuma), so I am able to test building packages on bare-metal
aarch64.

I'm testing building sbcl-cambl on it now. That is the package that
spurred this bug report.

Unfortunately, the aarch64 emulation we are using on berlin does cause a
lot of failures that can't be reproduced on real hardware. We are using
QEMU, right? If so, there is a new major QEMU update available on
guix-patches, and maybe that would fix some problems:

https://bugs.gnu.org/45014

As I mentioned in that patch submission, there are some minor issues
with the update, but maybe we should just go for it.




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* bug#45826: SBCL / Common Lisp packages fail to build on aarch64
  2021-02-01 21:13                     ` Leo Famulari
@ 2021-02-01 22:03                       ` Leo Famulari
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Leo Famulari @ 2021-02-01 22:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ludovic Courtès; +Cc: 45826, guix-sysadmin

On Mon, Feb 01, 2021 at 04:13:28PM -0500, Leo Famulari wrote:
> I'm testing building sbcl-cambl on it now. That is the package that
> spurred this bug report.

This build [0] succeeds on the overdrive.

So, we should prioritize getting the overdrives back into the build
farm, and we can also try the newer QEMU.

[0] /gnu/store/spjz8fh5kx6fh4qx69d4f21r9km77v59-sbcl-cambl-4.0.0-1.7016d1a.drv




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2021-01-17 19:11           ` Leo Famulari
2021-01-17 19:37             ` Efraim Flashner
2021-01-19 13:13               ` Ludovic Courtès
2021-01-19 20:17                 ` Leo Famulari
2021-02-01 20:56                   ` Ludovic Courtès
2021-02-01 21:13                     ` Leo Famulari
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