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I sense a lot of impatience in your message :-), and I also see many questions. It is up to us all to answer them, I=E2=80=99ll just reply selectively here. zimoun skribis: > On Thu, 7 Oct 2021 at 18:07, Ludovic Court=C3=A8s wrote: [...] >> The second-best solution is to improve our tooling so we can actually >> keep source code in a more controlled way. That=E2=80=99s what I had in= mind >> with . We have storage space for >> that on berlin, but it=E2=80=99s not infinite. > > If Berlin has space, why so much derivations are missing when running > time-machine? That=E2=80=99s not related to the question at hand, but it would be worth investigating, first by trying to quantify that. For the record, the =E2=80=98guix publish=E2=80=99 config on berlin is here: https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix/maintenance.git/tree/hydra/modules= /sysadmin/services.scm#n485 If I read that correctly, nars have a TTL of 180 days (this is the time a nar is retained after the last time it has been requested, so it=E2=80=99= s a lower bound.) >> Another approach is to use =E2=80=98git-fetch=E2=80=99 more, at least fo= r non-Autotools >> packages (that=E2=80=99s the case for Scotch, for instance.) > > This is what I suggested when opening this thread [1] more than one > year ago. Reading the discussion and keeping in mind the inertia, I > do not think it is a viable path. For instance, you know all the > pitfalls and you updated Scotch without switching to git-fetch -- no > criticism :-) just a realistic matter of facts to have good coverage. > > Right, and I agree Scotch is a package that can definitely use =E2=80=98git-fetch=E2=80=99 (there are bootstrapping considerations of pack= ages low in the stack, for instance you wouldn=E2=80=99t want to have Git fetched over =E2=80=98git-fetch=E2=80=99, but for packages like this there=E2=80=99s no = reason not to use =E2=80=98git-fetch=E2=80=99.) Thanks, Ludo=E2=80=99.