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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1665517615; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=Hpt5rzI2uQff4xAyLNkY9fGiGJSmrmNzjyX5xGaHVe0=; b=Iv9hcQkiP5bc/qDAzxpD/alVVOxrOfFXBVsTDtZLsJ0zxZZOcci11r6WzwuWw0MDH2wlw4 7kXyLC5OhxP7zneCZD3SZrrBY5Ajy03ARut63/tknefZQPaRzd85FQvq7Rmx+yvWvvQq8n P61SFpDtnwqqStGqrM/rHmWPVUdKI5pgRa88Z8EWtIfD2rmrNUEzOfWC47StoljYUy3pmE T0yXXf567qcvRQ5GJ0/fuibeUauHm40qUCZVwzHyvbFIRA6l/dq4a+YSHxW+LqSxwlopjp OTwQsGwFVGKF1xipxVlPByP3iYfeinl0DU9Tuq6MGqqEoyXrz2nYxeA820CG0Q== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1665517615; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=CjzK4DOmH+b7AkQennuvfAw3shxyCRhKea/QkYB+hEYsMl+EhV5CYvlmh2O2tx3ek4zdfd keSXOt+V5SNXKM3MxaHEFC+PIbsN7z0aSQ7vhknJipJhi4+ruzisps5+7RL+HOf5XnCxHB IrLBmkFfrngCSXmVE0LNGMlE5ZSndnKivDESH2Lq2jRQFIAblSvdhkM8ZSaBidIFUT0ItM S3WaQ6w5OOISWDDnqsiMq7ITaaaa5EAiIN3/aqpIWqX+56xgxYNOC1A+CdOTPPxz63UfT1 joIMKTD2LCMxM1eeKVN99/RijDDopaLInEql8UgTnr7hXqIhLXhe4M2oEGyieA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=qXGKIpY0; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.39 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=qXGKIpY0; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 9C6532333A X-Spam-Score: -2.39 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: zlA0zruky2sF Hi again, Tobias Geerinckx-Rice writes: > [Shunted to guix-devel@] > > Jonas Freimuth =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A >> bash -c 'yes | bash guix-install.sh' > > While this happens to work (again) now, that doesn't mean it always > will or should be considered supported. > > We should reserve the right to ask future questions to which the > safe/sane/common answer is =E2=80=98no=E2=80=99, without phrasing it awkw= ardly just to > make an unthinking stream of =E2=80=98y=E2=80=99s happy. > > $ guix-install.sh > =E2=80=A6 > Would you like to NOT enable the Cool Experimental Feature? > (DANGER) [Y/n] > > Conversely, I'd like to add a comment that does commit to always > keeping =E2=80=98yes '' | bash guix-install.sh=E2=80=99 working, assuming= there was no > other input or detected issues. Also nice for humans in a hurry. > > Does that seem unreasonable to anyone? I forgot to add: I think we should only introduce such a change if/when the need occurs. We may never need it, and having a 'yes' only bias forces us to offer only quality additions that we think users ought to want enabled ;-). --=20 Thanks, Maxim