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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=disroot.org header.s=mail header.b=mQnuQAh+; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org"; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=disroot.org ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1673787507; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=LyUbM2Dp94f7CdJMo7bvPQyOr92f1X3biDOGnBPAnNr9qnvPDCfnTXVt0J0aRWgRkhpgfw fI77a6Ry6KOe/m+6/HhqF737IhuoQ/lX822ONXjSIwzpjUZyg1dwonH1RzmexyYd9ZV+4H BjCt2wucI4QBgyykpy8Ym4ZxBQAlJ47Tkq6nwPSoaliJTXa4RtxTxUk8gLk5ISi4HpDk+Z KTSbwXprBS9jRb+XjEUaqORhf15IzeA4b/8k1CtY3eg+EXqHveyopJXkGxus7IYxnZN+8V /F+vgwG2XIlHUsaSIp1CIPGnsZ6/3Eew8NXWwM30HTcTlDHx+3NoaLTaMn3iMQ== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1673787507; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=2jIOfWqwY5lHib+GJXXJLlt1gShmqtZeqDN9JlLkf3Q=; b=fa8xyJxMylc69ZHxovW9v5221LVUocsyZUtuk4OiPro2Z2VTjX083LykU6QsdccXa8x3MG 8O0OnbFQYl2GzSCeZIdaz0PSFDjKgcUcauS9aIkkNX5gz9bABVTo+bN8p/X2RzRcEjpDxz hK9xdhf48g1hhT7gP3k8erlu7rAOKnmjHYBhiZJ9U+7jaORxfAY3Fx29I7aeCfdekHpVGQ 6l0Yf2gNM8nriNg6/0yxFvbP7qimTcgu/tJ2twaMgDcbVws9ZIRNwUtxw8/XlgvitvB21L 1CGKXkFKAOWgEPHcT14iyWGwfc80aS/jt0Eoey9w53n6vlaZGY6b+lvZ6fK6wQ== X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 4937A2831B X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=disroot.org header.s=mail header.b=mQnuQAh+; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org"; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=disroot.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -8.37 X-Spam-Score: -8.37 X-TUID: masBk9N6Kkdk --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ludovic Court=C3=A8s writes: > Hello! > > Over the course of a few years, the size of our packages has apparently > kept growing. Example: Unless the right steps are taken at right time, the size of packages will reach the largest real number in near future. > > $ guix time-machine --commit=3Dv1.2.0 -- size emacs=20 > store item total = self > /gnu/store/118xpdazyylxa1rlc68h9lmh38vhxrb4-llvm-10.0.0 210.8 = 139.3 16.2% > /gnu/store/1qmd9achfkm1njzxf8hi86q53pmy9sxk-mesa-20.0.7 369.2 = 131.3 15.3% > /gnu/store/d83hc7cqgnhl1vlz1rv4ibkvaqaq2g35-emacs-27.1 859.7 = 106.2 12.4% > /gnu/store/18hp7flyb3yid3yp49i6qcdq0sbi5l1n-guile-3.0.2 132.8 = 53.2 6.2% > /gnu/store/9lckq1194qcy4a7kv8bihagd58shj7yr-gtk+-3.24.20 723.7 = 49.0 5.7% > /gnu/store/qizplwwgqwyq6qmz1i6jlaib5kgzrgwq-icu4c-66.1 110.2 = 38.1 4.4% > /gnu/store/fa6wj5bxkj5ll1d7292a70knmyl7a0cr-glibc-2.31 38.4 = 36.7 4.3% > [=E2=80=A6] > total: 859.7 MiB > $ guix time-machine --commit=3Dv1.3.0 -- size emacs=20 > store item total = self > /gnu/store/g3idjpqsp2p2d163qfzskxj4k58nrx7f-llvm-11.0.0 220.0 = 148.6 16.9% > /gnu/store/jf269s6clr6r57p8v5c3c1qkyra6apq2-mesa-20.2.4 389.1 = 141.6 16.1% > /gnu/store/7nlq2v4000pw8vgj3m4vrwz072ib58xh-emacs-27.2 880.5 = 106.4 12.1% > /gnu/store/18hp7flyb3yid3yp49i6qcdq0sbi5l1n-guile-3.0.2 132.8 = 53.2 6.0% > /gnu/store/czf23hay13pp25yzrb4yq3n4gcri5r70-gtk+-3.24.24 744.3 = 49.1 5.6% > /gnu/store/2wqjj3mkqdvsvksndr2hpjpi7qqwi7kr-icu4c-66.1 110.2 = 38.1 4.3% > /gnu/store/fa6wj5bxkj5ll1d7292a70knmyl7a0cr-glibc-2.31 38.4 = 36.7 4.2% > [=E2=80=A6] > total: 880.5 MiB > $ guix time-machine --commit=3Dv1.4.0 -- size emacs=20 > store item total = self > /gnu/store/i11jmrc90drpx9mc6cyb6s4pjny91qx6-emacs-28.2 1592.7 = 250.6 15.7% > /gnu/store/sdzfljm6san79pqiy42yp0nzmkr2bafc-mesa-21.3.8 411.6 = 169.6 10.6% > /gnu/store/6pdzpmxg5afzss6dlivq8z84sfa31x22-llvm-11.0.0 221.5 = 149.5 9.4% > /gnu/store/lphzb1z0r4kbb453rsvnw7msrxxzp5r7-libgccjit-10.3.0 244.8 = 128.5 8.1% > /gnu/store/pfas3c4lhr1jwkj2gl0yx8dg4xjjlp4r-mozjs-91.13.0 261.2 = 65.4 4.1% > /gnu/store/hy6abswwv4d89zp464fw52z65fkzr7h5-perl-5.34.0 147.7 = 58.6 3.7% > /gnu/store/zyqimpkmpffc24nwwqp46cicj8ss85y5-binutils-2.37 126.0 = 54.4 3.4% > /gnu/store/cnfsv9ywaacyafkqdqsv2ry8f01yr7a9-guile-3.0.7 129.1 = 52.0 3.3% > /gnu/store/4aq7hw017s9ihpm1rxpwfz28c80569z9-gtk+-3.24.30 1002.2 = 48.6 3.1% > /gnu/store/vaxkf8cbc7slgc3ikm5qr3815wih93w8-ghostscript-with-cups-9.54.0 = 219.1 39.1 2.5% > /gnu/store/bjycxjjkp1da53ijsa4hfdrz9mcgg55h-icu4c-69.1 110.7 = 38.0 2.4% > /gnu/store/ayc9r7162rphy4zjw8ch01pmyh214h82-glibc-2.33 76.6 = 36.6 2.3% > [=E2=80=A6] > total: 1592.7 MiB > > I think something went wrong here. :-) > > In particular with Emacs itself (due to JIT + dependency on libgccjit, > Binutils, etc.?) and with GTK+ (due to mozjs in polkit?). > > And then MESA and LLVM have always been problematically big. > > We should do better. I mean, it=E2=80=99s just a text editor, isn=E2=80= =99t it? > > Ludo=E2=80=99. > No, Emacs is more than a text editor. If you need just a text editor, use ED. ;) But, well, I must confess, native compilation takes *A LOT* of time. =2D-=20 Akib Azmain Turja, GPG key: 70018CE5819F17A3BBA666AFE74F0EFA922AE7F5 Fediverse: akib@hostux.social Codeberg: akib emailselfdefense.fsf.org | "Nothing can be secure without encryption." --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEyVTKmrtL6kNBe3FRVTX89U2IYWsFAmPD+AwACgkQVTX89U2I YWsLNw//SLfniWnC6ikCLYFR+kX5rIWsypl8Qcgl2pTIoFdvh/zEVXVvEk9xfEeS o9ZgrODv6ERMW4XS7ZZEDcbDs9RcgOBNY5ba+f49BUP2H93CFZD2EN95lk483m/R 3K0388pY/mZrUrjP6HQvd3yAiMNWhLPMsIfwbGDoPWYN9SSAsjnlz4kBL9Qp4w1/ hGzX5Ulh93SwdEWHVePeeidUa4uQTcnbiaY05ZcNRriPn7u990dPOFSVJqhdiN08 LfgEfEeiHoZLuMgOOh1/FCJ1nVrj4aLam/azX1wDIHhXqh6EeDufse5U+YlwRiGW GSQfSalcC4jXebLPUedzrD/S2H7aEVNnU0X2HeAtpvhSSky9+YyRpTHOs+bdrmaV oyLDchOd09NrCqqpIPyUDsIvFi+3OJJvuFt+axkwmxwVHQpySBi94lskF3Ux81Rk uqsy+G8TnG+ddtpTfYDqaC1hqSGCYbuXlEN8FREajVeMI4SfB8RnflvlswjOskKs 61bsEtg1UUM1/Djw8oQbjmq+1D5cjIFAHHRralFCPS9eT2tIHIXa8bOz0zhsFLdc kY3zfXjOng+KxfGAabGody3Fge4gyLqLIL45HigOvf0kQFVi4VzdS4wjpWhd/zvN 1tg3y7aZgsYTqEJbUIr9I1bEpmHlgc8vrmB1pQDZ5cCGZqBkwZI= =2IxG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--