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Cc: Paul Jewell Subject: Re: Packages grow, no longer fit on a =?utf-8?Q?=F0=9F=92=BE?= References: <87tu0s7otg.fsf@inria.fr> <3586bd3c-2d97-ca0d-f722-be08a7440e1e@teulu.org> X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: =?utf-8?Q?D=C3=A9cadi?= 30 =?utf-8?Q?Niv=C3=B4se?= an 231 de la =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=A9volution=2C?= jour du Crible X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2023 15:37:37 +0100 In-Reply-To: <3586bd3c-2d97-ca0d-f722-be08a7440e1e@teulu.org> (Paul Jewell via's message of "Wed, 18 Jan 2023 21:44:34 +0100") Message-ID: <87cz7abnf2.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." 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Yes, it can be installed from a memory stick, that=E2=80=99s probably what everybody does. > It strikes me that this is like King Canute holding back the > tide. Package size growth is pretty inevitable, and even if work now > can bring the size down to that of a CD, the same problem will occur > in the not too distant future. I=E2=80=99d like to question the extent to which this is inevitable, or at = least see what we can learn from others to try and mitigate disk usage growth. Even from a purely practical perspective, it=E2=80=99s not convenient when = =E2=80=98guix pack=E2=80=99 creates big images that you have to carry around and your colleague laughs at you because their Alpine image of =E2=80=9Cthe same thi= ng=E2=80=9D (quotes!) is half the size. ;-) Ludo=E2=80=99.