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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1629034598; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=aC7pFjND7S+gvDrSmXsyQOvLsRfbY6D+alR+d3UPRPo=; b=cb99Za2ACzshSoNVDzttljM17scxF3GfWwlxKU7Z36AsBLoxL4BbK6VWE8s7tRD0d5M2Zi 57HYBLJPaXct+ZpphZ24ivbxYZU1/npup/VXGiRke9oqco+OFJZgVNxTOoqDXVsVbTWVMZ JCG6t83SJL+/Q8Q6N99BY8qFdd6XW7GZzBAwmC+RUMCuvmqH1/VmPoYJGsK4cJ6JT3dlyI ZRYVhQis054MwseW27Ro7BZm4wB3YZqSbl0HLHcMms+iBQ8C3NMtYY4nncRaHzLBmCD9D8 Q83GKeJaOlXgf6csBhCq4z5AfzVupyjYDniSecnhrKyOtTeRvDAeNxeRk7ubpA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1629034598; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=SMWYAyHFJ8QhEjTPrubiDcpoTBODvxvMZD+y7VPA8EJ5utURhEtx4U6ht+2pGHCmpBF7eA nsI5KtuQmfOeahx+HnrZlX10O1DONAX2TIP6BVHxYmLVF2JoiQMgpioYaD2uZD+OCkjAsD YRQzrUaF/2WCirqe87dnmBW6Ren4CKiPQIkoRILM2AGq1SSm8I6nQCTm/ixNx3yNYeHHow q6ZQOI+RIx4DIbMb98t6a0y84MzxKVCohqGL80g9Y0fqlhJ0fI65LVgBT5Uk7EV9kCdiFk JBBuuJG+6KWuUHLOGa67vbyohj/bzpW/6KpLPZnRMUiDi8bheT8BmAmOETTrqA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=disroot.org header.s=mail header.b=SEloHtnz; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=disroot.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.71 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=disroot.org header.s=mail header.b=SEloHtnz; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=disroot.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 1164E53DD X-Spam-Score: -4.71 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: 3/+MROBf8Icb --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michael Banck writes: > Hi, > > On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 02:19:12PM +0200, Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: >> Michael Banck writes: >>=20 >> > I don't mind that, but I also think the Hurd is not a tactical FSF ass= et >> > anymore that needs to be kept under tight control. The FSF has enough >> > copyright in the Hurd that it can enforce it whenever it likes, even if >> > other people's copyrighted code (as is already the case with the pfinet >>=20 >> I wouldn=E2=80=99t be so sure about that. >>=20 >> 1. Without copyright assignment of all code involved, enforcement >> becomes much harder. > > I don't think "much harder" can be quantified in a meaningful way, > seeing how parts of the Hurd aren't under the FSF copyright at this > point, anyway. A real life example is GNU Guix. There are (probably) more than hundred copyright holders (ain't I right, Ludo?). Is it possible enforce the copyright of that package? All copyright holders must cooperate to enforce GPL, which is probably impossible. >> 2. The Hurt still provides capabilities other OS=E2=80=99es don=E2=80=99= t =E2=80=94 while >> maintaining POSIX compatibility. We=E2=80=99ve seen audacity basically >> being taken over by a company in the past months, so the danger of >> losing Hurd to proprietarization rather got bigger than smaller. > > Nobody proposes that the FSF relicenses the Hurd to a non-copyleft > license before relinquishing the copyright assignment mandate, so I > don't see how the Hurd continueing to be under a GPLv2+ license will > ever be able to be taken proprietary. When copyright is not enforced, there is no difference between a GPL licensed and a public domain software. When a company sees that the copyright isn't enforced of a GPLed, it can take the program and make it proprietary. > I'm not going to respond further on this thread, this is starting to get > off-topic really quick and if there are further things to be discussed, > gnu-system-discuss or whatever other mailing list is likely the better > place. > > > Michael NOTE: I am not a lawyer. =2D-=20 Akib Azmain Turja This message is signed by me with my GnuPG key. 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