Michael Banck writes: > Hi, > > On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 02:19:12PM +0200, Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: >> Michael Banck writes: >> >> > I don't mind that, but I also think the Hurd is not a tactical FSF asset >> > anymore that needs to be kept under tight control. The FSF has enough >> > copyright in the Hurd that it can enforce it whenever it likes, even if >> > other people's copyrighted code (as is already the case with the pfinet >> >> I wouldn’t be so sure about that. >> >> 1. Without copyright assignment of all code involved, enforcement >> becomes much harder. > > I don't think "much harder" can be quantified in a meaningful way, > seeing how parts of the Hurd aren't under the FSF copyright at this > point, anyway. A real life example is GNU Guix. There are (probably) more than hundred copyright holders (ain't I right, Ludo?). Is it possible enforce the copyright of that package? All copyright holders must cooperate to enforce GPL, which is probably impossible. >> 2. The Hurt still provides capabilities other OS’es don’t — while >> maintaining POSIX compatibility. We’ve seen audacity basically >> being taken over by a company in the past months, so the danger of >> losing Hurd to proprietarization rather got bigger than smaller. > > Nobody proposes that the FSF relicenses the Hurd to a non-copyleft > license before relinquishing the copyright assignment mandate, so I > don't see how the Hurd continueing to be under a GPLv2+ license will > ever be able to be taken proprietary. When copyright is not enforced, there is no difference between a GPL licensed and a public domain software. When a company sees that the copyright isn't enforced of a GPLed, it can take the program and make it proprietary. > I'm not going to respond further on this thread, this is starting to get > off-topic really quick and if there are further things to be discussed, > gnu-system-discuss or whatever other mailing list is likely the better > place. > > > Michael NOTE: I am not a lawyer. -- Akib Azmain Turja This message is signed by me with my GnuPG key. It's fingerprint is: 7001 8CE5 819F 17A3 BBA6 66AF E74F 0EFA 922A E7F5 Get it with: gpg --recv-keys 70018CE5819F17A3BBA666AFE74F0EFA922AE7F5 See https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/ to learn more and protect your emails and yourself from surveillance. Please send me encrypted messages whenever possible. Never send me Microsoft Office attachments, they use secret proprietary format so I'll fail to read and trash them; send them in plain text if possible or in formats like ODF and PDF if your document contains images or videos. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html to learn more. Please don't send HTML emails, use plain text. HTML emails are usually vulnerable, about thousand times larger than plain text and look ugly to me. They contain trackers, so whenever someone opens a messsage he is tracked by third-party. See http://www.asciiribbon.org to learn more. () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments