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About 1), although I agree adding your text to the downloads page is an improvement for discoverability, I don=E2=80=99t like that your patch gives people the impression they get any advantage from experimental builds. *A disagreement.* About 2), the top menu. Consider a user who reads little but wants to try Guix. And that user does not read the main part of the homepage but follows the top menu. Such people exist, I guess, and are important. I claim that a) the distinction between standard and latest falsely suggests that latest is more current, more up-to-date, more appealing. *We are in disagreement about if the distinction is clear.* b) And I claim that in contrast to the past situation when the distinction was necessary, now that we have 1.4.0 and its more debuggable installer image, there will be no purpose in advertising latest anymore, that is, no advertisement of ci.guix.gnu.org images is needed. *This b) is the same disagreement as in 1).* IMHO we should hide the latest category in the top menu and make two new categories. One Hurd category could cater to users with hardware that can run Hurd, who like Hurd=E2=80=99s features and who don=E2=80=99t like that Linux-libr= e is monolithic and has bad GPLv2 licensing. But as of now, unlike Debian, Guix=E2=80=99s Hurd only runs on QEMU? One ARM category could offer, well, I don=E2=80=99t exactly know, is the Pinebook Pro image an upgradeable Guix System or a transient image? These offerings are not polished. I will not take the time to think about a patch removing latest now though. Regards, Florian