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Mon, 2 Oct 2023 07:23:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Munyoki Kilyungi To: Janneke Nieuwenhuizen , paul Cc: Nathan Dehnel , atai@atai.org, guix-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang In-Reply-To: <87msxdfbuy.fsf@gnu.org> References: <875y41gx14.fsf@gnu.org> <2a710ca0-466b-0d6e-9768-60b7904178cc@autistici.org> <87msxdfbuy.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2023 14:23:41 +0300 Message-ID: <87bkdh469u.fsf@saitama.mail-host-address-is-not-set> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.111.4.29; envelope-from=me@bonfacemunyoki.com; helo=out5-smtp.messagingengine.com X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Spam-Score: -0.95 X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -0.95 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx1.migadu.com X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 9AEDD3A73E X-TUID: ClPmQXuHSduf --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Janneke Nieuwenhuizen aliandika: [...] >> >> Thank you for your opinion but it's just that: a subjective judgement >> based on your own episodic experience. > > I'm sorry if my tone was too harsh, I now realise this is still > triggering old pain. > > Why is it still OK to for people to keep spreading negative anecdotes > about Emacs, and problematic to refute them or counter them with > positive anecdotes? > > It's been me believing exactly such lies that scared me away from > starting with Emacs for years, lost years in a way; something I deeply > regret: this has to stop. > This I agree with. I got into Emacs about a decade ago. And what helped me I guess, was that no one in my environment used Emacs nor knew too much about it. And the internet wasn't as fast as it is now. So in a sense, I got into the ecosystem "by faith", and it stuck. However, this is not the case today. I'm running a SICP reading book club community locally, and the feedback I'm getting from people who are trying it out, is that it's "very difficult to learn", and most of these sentiments are from the internet. =2D-=20 (Life is like a pencil that will surely run out, but will leave the beautiful writing of life.) 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