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Sat, 14 Dec 2024 19:59:48 -0800 (PST) From: Maxim Cournoyer To: Christopher Baines Cc: Steve George , Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= , guix-devel Subject: Re: =?utf-8?Q?=E2=80=98core-updates=E2=80=99?= is gone; long live =?utf-8?Q?=E2=80=98core-packages-team=E2=80=99!?= In-Reply-To: <87v7zfuwv5.fsf@cbaines.net> (Christopher Baines's message of "Sun, 01 Sep 2024 18:06:38 +0100") References: <87le0cj13e.fsf@inria.fr> <87v7zfuwv5.fsf@cbaines.net> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2024 12:59:38 +0900 Message-ID: <87bjxdzjdh.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::1035; envelope-from=maxim.cournoyer@gmail.com; helo=mail-pj1-x1035.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 63A885A855 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx13.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -8.66 X-Spam-Score: -8.66 X-TUID: 66tJ6CgKhMOQ Hi Chris, Sorry for reviving a 14 weeks old thread, I'm still catching up post-move :-). Christopher Baines writes: [...] >> The manual currently says it goes to 'staging' [1], and that this will >> be merged within six weeks. Is this actually true? I don't see any >> sign of it on Guix' git [2], and an unsure if the manual is out of >> sync with the branches workflow. >> >> While 'staging' seems like it could have similar difficulties to >> core-updates if it gets out of hand. The alternative choice of each >> time someone making a branch >> 'ffmpeg-and-stuff-i-collected-with-over-300-rebuilds' doesn't seem >> like a better choice ;-) > > That page needs updating I think. > >>> Recently, Christopher Baines further suggested that, as much as >>> possible, branches should be =E2=80=9Cstateless=E2=80=9D in the sense t= hat their changes >>> can be rebased anytime on top of =E2=80=98master=E2=80=99. This is wha= t we=E2=80=99ve been >>> doing for the past couple of months with =E2=80=98core-updates=E2=80=99= ; that sometimes >>> made it hard to follow IMO, because there were too many changes, but for >>> more focused branches, that should work well. >> (...) >> >> Long-lived branches and ones that don't cleanly apply onto master >> cause lots of difficulties from what I've seen. Perhaps a lesson is >> that branches should both be stateless *and* should not exist for more >> than 3 months. We already have a rule that encourages atomic changes >> within any patch in order to make things faster/easier to review. By >> extension, lets do the same with branches - merge them more often. > > Initially the documentation on branches said to create an issue when you > want to merge a branch, but this was changed to when you create a branch > to try and avoid situations like this, where a branch sits around and > gets stale for many months. Hm. So is the intention that the moment a branch is created, it is expected to be in a good shape to be merged? The previous way seemed more natural to me; the 'request for merge' issue would be created when the branch was mostly built or at least tested and deemed ready for being merged. Now we won't know; we will depend on the person creating the branch being around to let us know of its state (plus the QA/CI indicatorcs of course). For multi-people team endeavours (e.g., GNOME, although Liliana has been doing most of the work (thanks!)), it seems a bit unreasonable to expect the branch to be ready from the moment it lives. My 2 cents. --=20 Thanks, Maxim