From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Christopher Allan Webber Subject: Re: On being welcoming Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 10:53:26 -0600 Message-ID: <87a8p7lmna.fsf@dustycloud.org> References: <877fkeaaxd.fsf@gnu.org> <86h9ji1r8k.fsf@shell.gmplib.org> <87fuz2587z.fsf@gnu.org> <86wpsdkhlc.fsf@shell.gmplib.org> <87lh8siw66.fsf_-_@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35946) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a9yM6-000430-U8 for Guix-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 11:58:11 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a9yM5-0000Yt-TP for Guix-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 11:58:10 -0500 In-reply-to: List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Niels =?utf-8?Q?M=C3=B6ller?= Cc: Guix-devel , =?utf-8?Q?Torbj=C3=B6rn?= Granlund , gmp-bugs@gmplib.org Niels M=C3=B6ller writes: > ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Court=C3=A8s) writes: > >> I dare say that technical expertise does not excuse disdain and >> contempt. This behavior is actively harmful to GMP and GNU. > > Some developers may be more polite than others, but you really need to > follow the bug reporting instructions. If it is a bug in gmp, we'd like > to fix it, of course. Or if it's a configuration error, we'd like to > resolve that too, but then we still need to start with the proper bug > reporting information. Certainly that's true, though of course a "please file this upstream in GMP, we'd really like to handle it there" would be a nice way to handle things. And of course hashing out what's happening locally is not unusual behavior; Debian does much work to determine whether a bug is a Debian-local issue or if it is an upstream issue, and if so (hopefully) file and resolve upstream. It is not always a perfect process, but Guix is also a distribution, and it's unsurprising that some conversation would likely happen here first. I doubt that Ludovic would have been opposed to filing upstream if the upstream developers encouraged that... I don't think that was the issue here. >> It also illustrates why codes of conduct are more than a cosmetic >> gimmick. > > I'd prefer not to not have the general code-of-conduct-debate on the > gmp-bugs list. Sure, though this conversation was on the Guix list. > If you are disappointed about any individual's behaviour, I suspect it'= s > usually more productive to start by trying to solve it off list (maybe > you did? I wouldn't know of course). Mailing list discussons about > personal issues tend to overheat too easily. Sometimes that's true, and I agree, contacting an individual off-list is usually the first line to handle, especially for smaller issues. In general, I think this is the best approach to get good community interaction. I don't know if it happened or not. Though sometimes it is good to give a reply on-list, even in the first instance, so that it can be clear to a community what behavior is and isn't okay. > (And it has taken me more than 30 minutes to formulate this reply, whic= h > I hope is sufficiently polite and respectful. I really hope that was ti= me > well spent). I thought it was very polite and respectful, thank you! - Chris > Best regards, > /Niels