From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?=) Subject: Re: Moving to beta? When? Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 23:07:36 +0100 Message-ID: <87a8p4u63b.fsf@gnu.org> References: <871tajkybm.fsf@dustycloud.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44518) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aAm8m-0003Pk-61 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 17:07:45 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aAm8i-0007xe-5z for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 17:07:44 -0500 In-Reply-To: <871tajkybm.fsf@dustycloud.org> (Christopher Allan Webber's message of "Fri, 18 Dec 2015 19:40:29 -0600") List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Christopher Allan Webber Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Hi! I would say that GuixSD is more alphaish than Guix, but I=E2=80=99m fine ca= lling it =E2=80=9Cbeta=E2=80=9D as well (in fact, I took a step in that direction= when I updated the web site a couple of days ago for the fundraiser after we had had a similar discussion on IRC; look at this blue note at the top ;-)). The main blockers to 1.0 IMO are: =E2=80=A2 full-disk encryption in GuixSD (see in particular ); =E2=80=A2 =E2=80=98guix pull=E2=80=99 made faster & more secure (how do w= e authenticate code? how do we know it=E2=80=99s the latest code?); =E2=80=A2 stable build farm infrastructure; =E2=80=A2 clean upgrade path, revocation, and delegation for the keys use= d to sign substitutes (currently we have no easy way to provide an updated key for hydra.gnu.org, or to revoke the existing one, for instance.) Then of course there are many other improvements that can be made, notably usability improvements, of which having a fully working GNOME desktop or a nicer installer are one aspect. I think these are highly desirable, but not blockers for 1.0, in the sense that 1.0 should provide a stable implementation of the core features, but not necessarily every feature one would hope for. WDYT? Ludo=E2=80=99.