Add a pastebin client to the next guixsd image release

Add a pastebin client to the next guixsd image release

[ng0]

I think the next release image for GuixSD should include
wgetpaste as a tool. This would make it possible for people who
are stuck in the image and who are doing the installation, to
paste the config.scm or any other command output.

Are there any security concerns, or is this something we can do?
If the majority should be against it, another option I can think
of is that we add it to the documentation as a general suggestion
to search for "pastebin" with "guix package -s pastebin" and
install one of the available pastebin clients (there'll be more
than one at some point).
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Re: Add a pastebin client to the next guixsd image release

[Alex Kost]

ng0 (2016-12-04 18:16 +0000) wrote:

> I think the next release image for GuixSD should include
> wgetpaste as a tool. This would make it possible for people who
> are stuck in the image and who are doing the installation, to
> paste the config.scm or any other command output.

I agree: some *simple* paste tool would be good in the system image for
such cases.

> Are there any security concerns, or is this something we can do?
> If the majority should be against it, another option I can think
> of is that we add it to the documentation as a general suggestion
> to search for "pastebin" with "guix package -s pastebin" and
> install one of the available pastebin clients (there'll be more
> than one at some point).

I would avoid the word "pastebin", as it's just one of the paste
websites (and not the friendliest for the Tor users).

-- 
Alex

Re: Add a pastebin client to the next guixsd image release

[ng0]

Alex Kost <alezost@gmail.com> writes:

> ng0 (2016-12-04 18:16 +0000) wrote:
>
>> I think the next release image for GuixSD should include
>> wgetpaste as a tool. This would make it possible for people who
>> are stuck in the image and who are doing the installation, to
>> paste the config.scm or any other command output.
>
> I agree: some *simple* paste tool would be good in the system image for
> such cases.
>
>> Are there any security concerns, or is this something we can do?
>> If the majority should be against it, another option I can think
>> of is that we add it to the documentation as a general suggestion
>> to search for "pastebin" with "guix package -s pastebin" and
>> install one of the available pastebin clients (there'll be more
>> than one at some point).
>
> I would avoid the word "pastebin", as it's just one of the paste
> websites (and not the friendliest for the Tor users).
>
> -- 
> Alex
>

Then we should change the description of wgetpaste, as this is
the only keyword which limits result for paste to those
associated with what we understand as uploading a paste
somewhere.

The second package, still on hold for some months now because of
some bug with curl, requires curl. wgetpaste requires wget and is
functional now, which is why I suggested it (and maybe add the
lisp upload web service to the default sites?).
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Re: Add a pastebin client to the next guixsd image release

[Tomas Cech]

On Sun, 04 Dec 2016 19:16:28 +0100,
ng0 wrote:
> 
> I think the next release image for GuixSD should include
> wgetpaste as a tool. This would make it possible for people who
> are stuck in the image and who are doing the installation, to
> paste the config.scm or any other command output.
> 
> Are there any security concerns, or is this something we can do?
> If the majority should be against it, another option I can think
> of is that we add it to the documentation as a general suggestion
> to search for "pastebin" with "guix package -s pastebin" and
> install one of the available pastebin clients (there'll be more
> than one at some point).

Good idea.

I like the http://sprunge.us/ solution. It uses curl and has support
for syntax highlighting.

With shell function like this:
sprunge() {
  curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us
}

you can do:
$ command | sprunge
$ sprunge < file

So it mimics UNIX filosophy and has tiny dependency.

Best regards,

S_W

Re: Add a pastebin client to the next guixsd image release

[ng0]

Tomas Cech <sleep_walker@gnu.org> writes:

> On Sun, 04 Dec 2016 19:16:28 +0100,
> ng0 wrote:
>> 
>> I think the next release image for GuixSD should include
>> wgetpaste as a tool. This would make it possible for people who
>> are stuck in the image and who are doing the installation, to
>> paste the config.scm or any other command output.
>> 
>> Are there any security concerns, or is this something we can do?
>> If the majority should be against it, another option I can think
>> of is that we add it to the documentation as a general suggestion
>> to search for "pastebin" with "guix package -s pastebin" and
>> install one of the available pastebin clients (there'll be more
>> than one at some point).
>
> Good idea.
>
> I like the http://sprunge.us/ solution. It uses curl and has support
> for syntax highlighting.
>
> With shell function like this:
> sprunge() {
>   curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us
> }
>
> you can do:
> $ command | sprunge
> $ sprunge < file
>
> So it mimics UNIX filosophy and has tiny dependency.
>
> Best regards,
>
> S_W
>

pb based text snippet and file upload instances have a similar
way, https://ptpb.pw is the primary instance.

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Re: Add a pastebin client to the next guixsd image release

[Ludovic Courtès]

Alex Kost <alezost@gmail.com> skribis:

> ng0 (2016-12-04 18:16 +0000) wrote:
>
>> I think the next release image for GuixSD should include
>> wgetpaste as a tool. This would make it possible for people who
>> are stuck in the image and who are doing the installation, to
>> paste the config.scm or any other command output.
>
> I agree: some *simple* paste tool would be good in the system image for
> such cases.

Any suggestions of a package?  We don’t have a wgetpaste package, do we?

Thanks,
Ludo’.

Re: Add a pastebin client to the next guixsd image release

[ng0]

Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> writes:

> Alex Kost <alezost@gmail.com> skribis:
>
>> ng0 (2016-12-04 18:16 +0000) wrote:
>>
>>> I think the next release image for GuixSD should include
>>> wgetpaste as a tool. This would make it possible for people who
>>> are stuck in the image and who are doing the installation, to
>>> paste the config.scm or any other command output.
>>
>> I agree: some *simple* paste tool would be good in the system image for
>> such cases.
>
> Any suggestions of a package?  We don’t have a wgetpaste package, do we?
>
> Thanks,
> Ludo’.
>

As far as I know, Leo added it some days ago:

ng0@wasp ~$ guix package -s wgetpaste
name: wgetpaste
version: 2.28
outputs: out
systems: x86_64-linux i686-linux armhf-linux mips64el-linux
dependencies: 
location: gnu/packages/wget.scm:66:2
homepage: http://wgetpaste.zlin.dk/
license: Public Domain
synopsis: Script that automates pasting to a number of pastebin services
description: `wgetpaste' is an extremely simple command-line interface to various online pastebin services.

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Re: Add a pastebin client to the next guixsd image release

[Ludovic Courtès]

ng0 <ng0@libertad.pw> skribis:

> Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> Alex Kost <alezost@gmail.com> skribis:
>>
>>> ng0 (2016-12-04 18:16 +0000) wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think the next release image for GuixSD should include
>>>> wgetpaste as a tool. This would make it possible for people who
>>>> are stuck in the image and who are doing the installation, to
>>>> paste the config.scm or any other command output.
>>>
>>> I agree: some *simple* paste tool would be good in the system image for
>>> such cases.
>>
>> Any suggestions of a package?  We don’t have a wgetpaste package, do we?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ludo’.
>>
>
> As far as I know, Leo added it some days ago:
>
> ng0@wasp ~$ guix package -s wgetpaste
> name: wgetpaste
> version: 2.28
> outputs: out
> systems: x86_64-linux i686-linux armhf-linux mips64el-linux
> dependencies: 
> location: gnu/packages/wget.scm:66:2
> homepage: http://wgetpaste.zlin.dk/
> license: Public Domain
> synopsis: Script that automates pasting to a number of pastebin services
> description: `wgetpaste' is an extremely simple command-line interface to various online pastebin services.

Oh indeed, sorry.

I agree that this is useful, but I’m not entirely clear that adding it
to the installation image by default is needed?  (One can always install
it in there if needed.)

Ludo’.

Re: Add a pastebin client to the next guixsd image release

[ng0]

Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> writes:

> ng0 <ng0@libertad.pw> skribis:
>
>> Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> writes:
>>
>>> Alex Kost <alezost@gmail.com> skribis:
>>>
>>>> ng0 (2016-12-04 18:16 +0000) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think the next release image for GuixSD should include
>>>>> wgetpaste as a tool. This would make it possible for people who
>>>>> are stuck in the image and who are doing the installation, to
>>>>> paste the config.scm or any other command output.
>>>>
>>>> I agree: some *simple* paste tool would be good in the system image for
>>>> such cases.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions of a package?  We don’t have a wgetpaste package, do we?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ludo’.
>>>
>>
>> As far as I know, Leo added it some days ago:
>>
>> ng0@wasp ~$ guix package -s wgetpaste
>> name: wgetpaste
>> version: 2.28
>
> Oh indeed, sorry.
>
> I agree that this is useful, but I’m not entirely clear that adding it
> to the installation image by default is needed?  (One can always install
> it in there if needed.)
>
> Ludo’.
>

Then case 2 I mentioned in the original post could be applied? We
mention that for getting help, pastebin client(s) exists and how
to list them and maybe document it in the section for gettion
support / help / something related (I haven't looked at all the
topics recently).

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Re: Add a pastebin client to the next guixsd image release

[Ludovic Courtès]

ng0 <ng0@libertad.pw> skribis:

> Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> ng0 <ng0@libertad.pw> skribis:
>>
>>> Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> writes:
>>>
>>>> Alex Kost <alezost@gmail.com> skribis:
>>>>
>>>>> ng0 (2016-12-04 18:16 +0000) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think the next release image for GuixSD should include
>>>>>> wgetpaste as a tool. This would make it possible for people who
>>>>>> are stuck in the image and who are doing the installation, to
>>>>>> paste the config.scm or any other command output.
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree: some *simple* paste tool would be good in the system image for
>>>>> such cases.
>>>>
>>>> Any suggestions of a package?  We don’t have a wgetpaste package, do we?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Ludo’.
>>>>
>>>
>>> As far as I know, Leo added it some days ago:
>>>
>>> ng0@wasp ~$ guix package -s wgetpaste
>>> name: wgetpaste
>>> version: 2.28
>>
>> Oh indeed, sorry.
>>
>> I agree that this is useful, but I’m not entirely clear that adding it
>> to the installation image by default is needed?  (One can always install
>> it in there if needed.)
>>
>> Ludo’.
>>
>
> Then case 2 I mentioned in the original post could be applied? We
> mention that for getting help, pastebin client(s) exists and how
> to list them and maybe document it in the section for gettion
> support / help / something related (I haven't looked at all the
> topics recently).

OK, though in practice when users have to resort to pasting stuff and
discussing problems on IRC, we’ve already lost in the sense that it
suggests that our installation method or documentation is broken.

Most users would give up before coming to #guix, and others can just as
well run “guix package -i wgetpaste”.

WDYT?

Ludo’.

Re: Add a pastebin client to the next guixsd image release

[Chris Marusich]

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ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès) writes:

> OK, though in practice when users have to resort to pasting stuff and
> discussing problems on IRC, we’ve already lost in the sense that it
> suggests that our installation method or documentation is broken.
>
> Most users would give up before coming to #guix, and others can just as
> well run “guix package -i wgetpaste”.
>
> WDYT?

Just wanted to add my two cents: I don't think it needs to take up space
in the installation image.

-- 
Chris

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