From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?=) Subject: Re: Creating a reliable bootstrap for building from source Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 10:58:08 +0200 Message-ID: <87a869i5pb.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87y3u5wwsi.fsf_-_@gnu.org> <20170514135041.GA29369@thebird.nl> <20170514153506.GA29953@thebird.nl> <20170514161342.GA30265@thebird.nl> <87efvr769a.fsf@gnu.org> <20170514172927.GA31005@thebird.nl> <20170514183014.GA31243@thebird.nl> <87shk7qg4p.fsf@gnu.org> <20170515073506.GA1125@thebird.nl> <87r2zqi6zp.fsf@gnu.org> <20170517074711.GA15395@thebird.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38945) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dBdju-0004LJ-Bp for guix-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 May 2017 04:58:27 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dBdjr-0004aM-B5 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 May 2017 04:58:26 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20170517074711.GA15395@thebird.nl> (Pjotr Prins's message of "Wed, 17 May 2017 09:47:11 +0200") List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: Pjotr Prins Cc: guix-devel Pjotr Prins skribis: > On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 03:28:58PM +0200, Ludovic Court??s wrote: >> >> For Guix developers, I think it's reasonable to have a traditional GNU >> >> build system. After all, Guix is also a regular software package that >> >> people can build from source with './configure && make && make instal= l'. >> > >> > My point is that we can simplify. I like simple. Simple is good. >> > >> > We can have both the configure and a simple Makefile.guix option. That >> > is what I do with my projects. >> > >> > We do not need bootstrap, autoconf and configure on a running Guix >> > system. We do need it for other distributions. >>=20 >> I agree. build-aux/build-self.scm, which is what ???guix pull??? runs to >> build Guix, is close to what you???re suggesting, IIUC: a pure-Guile bui= ld >> script. WDYT? > > It is interesting - especially the hoops jumping around guile > versioning ;) - but it still looks like it invokes the traditional > gnu-build-system. No, (guix scripts pull) really just traverses the list of .scm files and compiles them. Ludo=E2=80=99.