From: George Clemmer <myglc2@gmail.com>
To: Ricardo Wurmus <rekado@elephly.net>
Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org,
Guix-devel <guix-devel-bounces+amirouche=hypermove.net@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Roadmap for Guix 1.0
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 15:13:25 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87a7p3zmzu.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87k1o89flh.fsf@elephly.net>
Ricardo Wurmus <rekado@elephly.net> writes:
> Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I think “Guix System” is OK.
>
> I think so too.
I recommend against renaming GuixSD >> "Guix System". Here is Why:
1) A noob would expect "guix system" to refer to the whole Guix
enchilada. If we use it to refer to GuixSD, a specific Guix deployment
mode, we have created a new, counter-intuitive thing we have to explain.
2) As Ricardo points out below, the "guix system" command clashes with
this use of Guix system. This is a second counter-intuitive thing we
would have to explain.
Bottom line: we shouln'd use the general term "Guix System" in any way
beyond, perhaps in a descriptway way, e.g., The Guix project develops
the Guix System, a set of tools that manage software environments.
>> Most of the time we’ll just say “Guix”, as
>> is already the case, and when we need to disambiguate (for instance when
>> addressing bugs), we’ll ask “Are you using Guix System?” or “Are you
>> using the Guix distro?”, and everything will be fine. :-)
>
> Exactly.
>
> I wrote this on IRC:
>
> The name “GuixSD” is opaque and creates an arbitrary distinction between
> the system running on bare metal and the systems you can create with the
> “guix system” commands. It makes it difficult to communicate about
> Guix. Do we really offer “a package manager” and a “distro” — or is it
> really all one thing with various levels?
>
> The “guix system” command can be used without GuixSD to create Guix
> virtual machines or containers. Describing “guix system” is difficult
> when we think in terms of “package manager” vs “distro”. Guix itself is
> also a distro – none of the packages it provides link with the host
> system, and the collection of packages is a distribution of free
> software.
>
> I think that simplifying the name by using “guix” as a category will
> make communication easier.
>
>> The motivation for this name change is that “SD” is obscure to most, as
>> you note, plus it creates confusion when people visit the web site: the
>> web site has a “GuixSD” logo, but then it talks about features of the
>> package manager. Designating the whole tool set as “Guix” will simplify
>> this, and we can always be more specific when we need to.
>
> I agree.
I agree too. You may recall that I recommendi this approach when we
discussed the web site in January. That thread includes a product
description [1] that might be a good place to start when describing the
"whole tool set".
[1] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2018-01/msg00457.html
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-08-30 19:13 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-07-29 15:18 Roadmap for Guix 1.0 Ludovic Courtès
2018-07-30 1:23 ` Pjotr Prins
2018-07-30 9:02 ` Nils Gillmann
2018-07-30 12:47 ` Pierre Neidhardt
2018-08-19 11:06 ` LVM support Ludovic Courtès
2018-08-29 16:12 ` Roadmap for Guix 1.0 Amirouche Boubekki
2018-08-30 11:46 ` Pierre Neidhardt
2018-08-30 12:04 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-08-30 12:57 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2018-08-30 14:20 ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2018-08-30 15:17 ` Nils Gillmann
2018-08-30 19:13 ` George Clemmer [this message]
2018-08-30 20:12 ` Gábor Boskovits
2018-08-31 14:25 ` George Clemmer
2018-08-31 15:45 ` Vincent Legoll
2018-08-31 15:54 ` Amirouche Boubekki
2018-09-01 7:36 ` rchar01
2018-09-01 9:27 ` Pjotr Prins
2018-09-01 10:09 ` Nils Gillmann
2018-08-30 15:36 ` George Clemmer
2018-08-30 17:11 ` Hartmut Goebel
2018-08-30 18:17 ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2018-08-30 21:45 ` Taylan Kammer
2018-07-30 5:08 ` Chris Marusich
2018-07-30 7:33 ` Pierre Neidhardt
2018-08-19 11:19 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-08-19 11:11 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-08-20 1:12 ` Chris Marusich
2018-08-30 19:34 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2018-08-19 21:52 ` Amirouche Boubekki
2018-08-20 7:44 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2018-08-29 16:05 ` Amirouche Boubekki
2018-09-04 22:55 ` fis trivial
2018-09-04 23:09 ` Adam Van Ymeren
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