From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Alex Sassmannshausen Subject: Re: Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines? Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2018 10:27:08 +0100 Message-ID: <87a7mua2kz.fsf@gmail.com> References: <11169507.O9o76ZdvQC@aleksandar-ixtreme-m5740> <87pnvt9fhz.fsf@gmail.com> <3893574.yNgoui0T1j@aleksandar-ixtreme-m5740> Reply-To: alex.sassmannshausen@gmail.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50951) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gHmmV-0004aG-5F for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Oct 2018 05:27:20 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gHmmR-0006qW-1x for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Oct 2018 05:27:19 -0400 Received: from mail-wr1-x42d.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::42d]:34391) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gHmmQ-0006p8-PW for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Oct 2018 05:27:14 -0400 Received: by mail-wr1-x42d.google.com with SMTP id j26-v6so1460735wre.1 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2018 02:27:12 -0700 (PDT) In-reply-to: <3893574.yNgoui0T1j@aleksandar-ixtreme-m5740> List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: HiPhish Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Hello, I agree with Ricardo's email that really we should be discussing the CoC in relation to specific patches against it, to avoid circular debate. So I will only respond to the specific bit directly asking me to provide evidence. HiPhish writes: > On Monday, 29 October 2018 12:08:56 CET you wrote: >> I think you a have burden of proof here, given that our culture at large >> has serious issues with harassment. Why would you think FLOSS community >> is somehow different from the wider community? > No, you have a burden of proof that "our" culture (whatever this "our" is > supposed to mean, I have no idea where you live and you have no idea where I > live) has a serious issue with harassment. [I apologise for the narrow focus on sexual / gender / sex based focus of the stats below; it's what I'm most familiar with.] "According to a TUC/Everyday Sexism study on sexual harassment, 52% of women have experienced sexual harassment in the workplace and 80% did not report it to their employer." [https://www.fawcettsociety.org.uk/Handlers/Download.ashx?IDMF=9127932a-455f-4d0c-909d-3563c17dc7c5, available from https://www.fawcettsociety.org.uk/sexual-harassment-in-the-workplace] "In 2014, SSH commissioned a 2,000-person national survey in the USA with surveying firm GfK. The survey found that 65% of all women had experienced street harassment. Among all women, 23% had been sexually touched, 20% had been followed, and 9% had been forced to do something sexual. Among men, 25% had been street harassed (a higher percentage of LGBT-identified men than heterosexual men reported this) and their most common form of harassment was homophobic or transphobic slurs (9%)." http://www.stopstreetharassment.org/resources/statistics/ "Almost fully one third of the approximately 90,000 charges received by EEOC in fiscal year 2015 included an allegation of workplace harassment. This includes, among other things, charges of unlawful harassment on the basis of sex (including sexual orientation, gender identity, and pregnancy), race, disability, age, ethnicity/national origin, color, and religion." and "Roughly three out of four individuals who experienced harassment never even talked to a supervisor, manager, or union representative about the harassing conduct." [from https://www.eeoc.gov/eeoc/task_force/harassment/report_summary.cfm] In 2012, in Belgium, the film Femme de la Rue directly influenced the passing of legislation to make street harassment illegal. [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/aug/03/belgium-film-street-harassment-sofie-peeters] It also helped kick-start movements in Belgium and France where street harassment is fairly common. In london, UK, 4 in 10 women between ages of 18 and 34 experienced street harassment in 2011 alone [https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2012/may/25/four-10-women-sexually-harassed]. "54% (272) had experienced some form of workplace sexual harassment." This is from a 2008 study in Singapore [http://www.aware.org.sg/training/wsh-site/14-statistics/]. The stats bear out 2 things: a) harassment is very prevalent; b) if anything, harassment is underreported, not overreported. Of course the above are all related to a relatively narrow geographic domain. I would be very surprised indeed if there was a place that conducted similar studies, where the picture would not be roughly the same or worse. You are correct that I don't know where you're from, but it kind of doesn't matter, because harassment, especially that on the basis of gender, sex or sexuality, is a global phenomenon. Best wishes, Alex