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From: Pierre Neidhardt <mail@ambrevar.xyz>
To: Wayne <waynedpj@ingiro.xyz>
Cc: Help Guix <help-guix@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Shepherd and Guille
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2018 08:58:49 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87a7mkm24m.fsf@ambrevar.xyz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181107231234.Horde.GJcOfWxRUgR6leHv2K2Odev@mail.ingiro.xyz>

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> the point about using GC/JIT/etc. languages for "critical" software like init
> seemed somewhat worth investigating.

Actually, why?  I read this, and to me it sounded like the following reasoning:
"if it's critical, then it has to be a _systems_ language, i.e. C or C++ (or
rust?)".

The author seems to contradict himself and be very confused about this.  If
you read the Shepherd paragraph, compare:

> The decision to write important system-level software in non-memory-safe languages such as C and
> C++ has been criticised. 

vs.

> my concern is that it’s written in Guile, an interpreted (or
> bytecode-interpreted) language with garbage collection – and

Why is it a concern now that the author just said doing the other way around is
criticized?  Argumentation is completely lacking.

> I see both the “interpreted” and “garbage collection” parts as undesirable for system-level software
> (especially for a potential init). 

Why?  How are the two related?  The author might be confabulating between kernel
and system-level.

> Interpreted software will be less efficient (if not in actual speed, since
> I’ll acknowledge that JITs can do amazing things, at least in memory usage)

So if not actual speed, then what is less efficient?  The author does not say...

Actually the more I read it, the more it sounds like a complete heap of
non-sense :D

-- 
Pierre Neidhardt
https://ambrevar.xyz/

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  reply	other threads:[~2018-11-08  7:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-10-31  0:39 Shepherd and Guille Wayne
2018-11-01  4:19 ` Vladimir Sedach
     [not found] ` <87o9b9ig4l.fsf@exinda.orion.oneofus.la>
2018-11-04  9:39   ` Pierre Neidhardt
2018-11-08  4:12     ` Wayne
2018-11-08  7:58       ` Pierre Neidhardt [this message]
2018-11-09  5:18       ` Vladimir Sedach
     [not found]       ` <5be518c9.1c69fb81.90d67.495dSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
2018-11-10  1:46         ` Maxim Cournoyer
2018-11-13  4:22           ` Wayne

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