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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-to: John Kehayias From: John Kehayias via "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Scanner: mx11.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -0.17 X-Spam-Score: -0.17 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 7737C7BF03 X-TUID: 5ynRKqVY0uyg Hi all, On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 03:08 PM, Felix Lechner via \"Development of GNU Gu= ix and the GNU System distribution.\" wrote: > On Fri, Dec 13 2024, Ricardo Wurmus wrote: > >> Our releases should mean something. > > What do they mean, please? > This is actually related to the topic I wanted to bring up before we really= get lost in the details of release building and so on. I've always thought about Guix as a rolling distribution, where our "releas= es" are essentially installer "snapshots." In other words, the installer ha= s maybe gotten improvements and certainly been thoroughly tested along with= good substitute coverage and functionality across all (or as much as we ca= n muster) of Guix. This tagged version is important to make sure there is b= inary substitute downloads (and maybe a corresponding manual online). There is no expectation, nor really support, for staying on a "release." On= e is expected (and warned by guix even) to occasionally at least run "guix = pull" if not upgrading, reconfiguring, etc. However, we do have powerful to= ols for staying at some particular commit, through time-machine, channel pi= nning, and so on. I think what I wrote above is where we are currently at, though this perhap= s is not documented explicitly as it should be. Many times the question com= es up about a Guix "release" and missing that we are really a rolling distr= ibution. Clearly there is room to improve here. Is this something we agree on? I think being clear what Guix is (in terms o= f "releases"), and what we want it to be, is essential first. That is my understanding above, and if that's what we want to continue with= , we should say so clearly in the manual, finally resolve the confusing dif= ferent manual version links, and be clear what a "release" is for Guix. I w= ould move to revise our terminology to something like an "installer" versio= n or "installation snapshot." (I don't see us having the resources to fully= support releases as in a versioned distro, at this time.) Just my 2 insignificant-currency-units, happy to hear this discussed furthe= r! John