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From: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès)
To: Jean Louis <guix@rcdrun.com>
Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: MAME emulator is giving incentive to use non-free software
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2016 15:14:32 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <878u11mnnr.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160329101253.GA5567@protected.rcdrun.com> (Jean Louis's message of "Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:12:53 +0200")

Jean Louis <guix@rcdrun.com> skribis:

> Please see what I mean:
> http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html#trademarks
>
> The problem may arise from Nintendo, as they are owner of the
> trademark.
>
> For your understanding:
>
> - I cannot just take your package definition and copy it on my website,
>   because it includes trademark, it is simply not free description of
>   the package. It asks for problems in future, with Nintendo. 
>
> - I cannot sell the package or that software, neither provide support,
>   in that shape or form, with the trademark Nintendo® because I don't
>   have permission for that.
>
> - a software definition cannot be just made up with trademarks,
>   especially not with well known trademarks, and claimed to be GPL
>   licensed
>
> - software using trademarks within the source is also questionable.

I respectfully think that this interpretation is incorrect.

GPL software is certainly free, trademark or not.

The FSDG item linked above is implicitly concerned with trademarks that
relate to the name of the software package, as is the case with Firefox
and (apparently) MAME.  These are free software packages, but we may not
be allowed to distribute them under these names.  We still get the 4
freedoms, obviously, as long as changing the name is trivial (for
instance Firefox has a ‘configure’ switch for that.)

IIUC, the Nintendo emulators we’re talking about mention “Nintendo” in
their synopsis, but that is most likely a legitimate use of the
trademark—just like mentions of “Intel”, the “X Window System”, etc.

IMO, a valid reason why we could discuss exclusion of these packages is
if they do not have any other use than playing non-free games.  I guess
this is an important use case, but I don’t know if it’s the only one.

Thoughts?

Ludo’.

  reply	other threads:[~2016-03-29 13:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-03-28 21:55 MAME emulator is giving incentive to use non-free software Jean Louis
2016-03-29  0:26 ` Jookia
2016-03-29  4:42   ` Jean Louis
2016-03-29  6:27     ` Jookia
2016-03-29  7:30       ` Jean Louis
2016-03-29  8:25         ` Jookia
2016-03-29 11:35           ` rain1
2016-03-29 12:00             ` Jean Louis
2016-03-29 12:48               ` Nils Gillmann
2016-03-29 14:23               ` Mathieu Lirzin
2016-03-29 14:52                 ` Jean Louis
2016-03-29 16:15                   ` Ludovic Courtès
2016-03-29 17:29                     ` Jean Louis
2016-03-29 17:47                     ` Jean Louis
2016-03-29 12:41         ` Nils Gillmann
2016-03-29  1:44 ` Mark H Weaver
2016-03-29 13:03   ` Ludovic Courtès
2016-03-29 17:30   ` Christopher Allan Webber
2016-03-29 17:32     ` Thompson, David
2016-03-29 17:37       ` Eric Bavier
2016-03-30 20:25     ` Ludovic Courtès
2016-03-29  8:58 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2016-03-29 10:12   ` Jean Louis
2016-03-29 13:14     ` Ludovic Courtès [this message]
2016-03-29 13:51       ` Jean Louis
2016-03-29 16:09         ` Ludovic Courtès
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2016-03-29 14:01 Jean Louis
2016-03-29 14:46 ` Nils Gillmann
2016-03-29 16:31 alírio eyng
2016-03-30 22:30 ` Isaac David
2016-04-02  3:17   ` Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli
2016-03-31 22:50 ` alírio eyng
2016-04-01  6:23   ` Ricardo Wurmus
2016-04-01 12:15     ` alírio eyng
2016-04-01 20:03       ` alírio eyng
2016-04-02  2:19 ` Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli
2016-04-02  8:48   ` [GNU-linux-libre] " alírio eyng
2016-04-03 14:20     ` alírio eyng
2016-04-03 18:36       ` alírio eyng
2016-04-03 19:39         ` Felipe Sanches
2016-04-03 21:02         ` alírio eyng
2016-04-03 21:22           ` Felipe Sanches
2016-04-04  3:26           ` alírio eyng
2016-04-04 11:19             ` Felipe Sanches
2016-04-04 22:23             ` alírio eyng
2016-04-04 22:47               ` [GNU-linux-libre] " Felipe Sanches
2016-04-04 22:58                 ` Felipe Sanches
2016-04-04 22:59                   ` Felipe Sanches
2016-04-05  2:29               ` alírio eyng
2016-04-09  9:00               ` Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli
2016-04-09 19:43                 ` alírio eyng
2016-04-05 15:59     ` Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli
2016-04-06 11:02       ` alírio eyng
2016-03-30  4:10 IngeGNUe
2016-03-30 16:11 ` Mark H Weaver
2016-03-30 21:26   ` IngeGNUe

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