* bug#32770: Packaging SLIME/SWANK as Common Lisp library @ 2018-09-19 7:19 Pierre Neidhardt 2018-09-29 19:16 ` Andy Patterson 0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Pierre Neidhardt @ 2018-09-19 7:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 32770 [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 422 bytes --] On the long road to packaging Next browser (bug #32729), I've hit a big obstacle: packaging the SLIME/SWANK dependency. We currently have an emacs-slime package, but that cannot be used as a Common Lisp dependency. See those conversations: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2018-08/msg00138.html and https://github.com/slime/slime/issues/457 -- Pierre Neidhardt https://ambrevar.xyz/ [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 487 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* bug#32770: Packaging SLIME/SWANK as Common Lisp library 2018-09-19 7:19 bug#32770: Packaging SLIME/SWANK as Common Lisp library Pierre Neidhardt @ 2018-09-29 19:16 ` Andy Patterson 2018-09-30 21:27 ` Pierre Neidhardt 0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Andy Patterson @ 2018-09-29 19:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Pierre Neidhardt; +Cc: 32770 Hey Pierre, Sorry for taking so long to get back to you. On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 09:19:46 +0200 Pierre Neidhardt <mail@ambrevar.xyz> wrote: > On the long road to packaging Next browser (bug #32729), I've hit a > big obstacle: packaging the SLIME/SWANK dependency. > > We currently have an emacs-slime package, but that cannot be used as a > Common Lisp dependency. > I've managed to figure out why that is. With the branch you're using for the package, the asd file defines the package and variables that get used - but in guix that asd file gets discarded. I think the right way is to have those definitions defined in a separate file, and actually they are defined in one as well. The following patch adds that file to the asd and makes sure it compiles successfully. I've noticed that the pull request that branch was made for is closed though - I'll try to see if I can get things building with the other one that's open and maybe co-ordinate with upstream to get that in. For now though, maybe this will unblock you. The patch was made after rebasing your branch unto master. I was also able to drop the commit named "build-system/asdf: Fix normalize-string to support versioned dependencies", since there's a more general version of it in master now. -- Andy From a7b945bb58f22ac6c0bcee1bee62e40ffa9873a6 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Andy Patterson <ajpatter@uwaterloo.ca> Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 15:04:40 -0400 Subject: [PATCH] gnu: slime-swank: Make it loadable. * gnu/packages/lisp.scm (sbcl-slime-swank)[origin]<modules>: Add (guix build utils). <snippet>: Patch the asd file to load swank-loader-asdf. --- gnu/packages/lisp.scm | 6 ++++++ 1 file changed, 6 insertions(+) diff --git a/gnu/packages/lisp.scm b/gnu/packages/lisp.scm index aa146c9a5..a05d95f60 100644 --- a/gnu/packages/lisp.scm +++ b/gnu/packages/lisp.scm @@ -2223,12 +2223,18 @@ writing code that contains string literals that contain code themselves.") (base32 ;; "065bc4y6iskazdfwlhgcjlzg9bi2hyjbhmyjw3461506pgkj08vi" "0pkmg94wn4ii1zhlrncn44mdc5i6c5v0i9gbldx4dwl2yy7ibz5c")) + (modules '((guix build utils))) (snippet '(begin (substitute* "contrib/swank-listener-hooks.lisp" ((":compile-toplevel :load-toplevel ") "")) (substitute* "contrib/swank-presentations.lisp" ((":compile-toplevel :load-toplevel ") "")) + (substitute* "swank.asd" + ((":file \"packages\".*" all) + (string-append all "(:file \"swank-loader-asdf\")\n"))) + (substitute* "swank-loader-asdf.lisp" + ((":common-lisp" all) (string-append all " #:asdf"))) #t)))) (build-system asdf-build-system/sbcl) (arguments -- 2.19.0 ^ permalink raw reply related [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* bug#32770: Packaging SLIME/SWANK as Common Lisp library 2018-09-29 19:16 ` Andy Patterson @ 2018-09-30 21:27 ` Pierre Neidhardt 2018-09-30 21:46 ` Pierre Neidhardt 0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Pierre Neidhardt @ 2018-09-30 21:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andy Patterson; +Cc: 32770 [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 395 bytes --] Andy, you are the hero of the day! Thank you so much! Thinking about it, that explains why Quicklisp does not have a problem with it: it always loads the .asd file I suppose. (I haven't checked the code.) I'll keep on packaging Next, hopefully there won't be such an obstacle again and we will see it land in Guix very soon! Cheers! -- Pierre Neidhardt https://ambrevar.xyz/ [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 487 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* bug#32770: Packaging SLIME/SWANK as Common Lisp library 2018-09-30 21:27 ` Pierre Neidhardt @ 2018-09-30 21:46 ` Pierre Neidhardt 2018-10-01 13:53 ` Pierre Neidhardt 2018-10-02 8:55 ` Andy Patterson 0 siblings, 2 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Pierre Neidhardt @ 2018-09-30 21:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andy Patterson; +Cc: 32770 [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 619 bytes --] Also see https://github.com/quicklisp/quicklisp-projects/issues/1561 There are some interesting links, mostly about the Nix system. See the https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/5048b0d1f9e908665a01c35f49b2d9816128e089/pkgs/development/lisp-modules/quicklisp-to-nix-output/swank.nix file: I think it would have given us a clear hint with ~asdFilesToKeep = ["swank.asd"];~, had we looked at Nix before. I haven't looked to closely into what else Nix is doing to package Common Lisp, but it seems rather complete. Any good idea we could borrow, Andy? -- Pierre Neidhardt https://ambrevar.xyz/ [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 487 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* bug#32770: Packaging SLIME/SWANK as Common Lisp library 2018-09-30 21:46 ` Pierre Neidhardt @ 2018-10-01 13:53 ` Pierre Neidhardt 2018-10-02 8:38 ` Andy Patterson 2018-10-02 8:55 ` Andy Patterson 1 sibling, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Pierre Neidhardt @ 2018-10-01 13:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andy Patterson; +Cc: 32770 [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1474 bytes --] Another issue, Andy, is with the new `normalize-dependency' function that adds support for the dependency syntax as specified by the ASDF grammar. I think your approach is good but it fails for `jpl-queues` because it produces the following .asd file in the store: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- (asdf:defsystem "jpl-queues" :class asdf/bundle:prebuilt-system :version "0.1" :depends-on ("bordeaux-threads" (:version "jpl-util" "0.2")) :components ((:compiled-file "jpl-queues--system"))) (progn (asdf/source-registry:ensure-source-registry) (setf (gethash "bordeaux-threads" asdf/source-registry:*source-registry*) #p "/gnu/store/67dhvxva7345r2xijz9yqp94s0fslrpn-sbcl-bordeaux-threads-0.8.5-1.354abb0/share/common-lisp/sbcl-bundle-systems/bordeaux-threads.asd")) --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- Note that jpl-util is missing from the registry link list. It turns out that it fails because the match-lambda you've used to implement the standard are case-sensitive, while the standard is case-insensitive. Adn... jpl-queues uses ":VERSION" and not ":version" as you expected :( I think the simple fix would be to make the two match-lambda case-insensitive (both in generate-dependency-links and in make-asd-file). What do you think? -- Pierre Neidhardt https://ambrevar.xyz/ [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 487 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* bug#32770: Packaging SLIME/SWANK as Common Lisp library 2018-10-01 13:53 ` Pierre Neidhardt @ 2018-10-02 8:38 ` Andy Patterson 0 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Andy Patterson @ 2018-10-02 8:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Pierre Neidhardt; +Cc: 32770 Hi, On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 15:53:50 +0200 Pierre Neidhardt <mail@ambrevar.xyz> wrote: > Another issue, Andy, is with the new `normalize-dependency' function > that adds support for the dependency syntax as specified by the ASDF > grammar. I think your approach is good but it fails for `jpl-queues` > because it produces the following .asd file in the store: > > [...] > > Note that jpl-util is missing from the registry link list. > > It turns out that it fails because the match-lambda you've used to > implement the standard are case-sensitive, while the standard is > case-insensitive. Right, good catch. > > Adn... jpl-queues uses ":VERSION" and not ":version" as you > expected :( > > I think the simple fix would be to make the two match-lambda > case-insensitive (both in generate-dependency-links and in > make-asd-file). We're always retrieving that list from a lisp implementation, so I think it's safe to assume that those symbols will be up-cased in the output that it sends us. I'll send a patch with that change. Thanks, -- Andy ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* bug#32770: Packaging SLIME/SWANK as Common Lisp library 2018-09-30 21:46 ` Pierre Neidhardt 2018-10-01 13:53 ` Pierre Neidhardt @ 2018-10-02 8:55 ` Andy Patterson 2018-10-02 10:24 ` Pierre Neidhardt 1 sibling, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Andy Patterson @ 2018-10-02 8:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Pierre Neidhardt; +Cc: 32770 Hi, On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 23:46:08 +0200 Pierre Neidhardt <mail@ambrevar.xyz> wrote: > Also see > > https://github.com/quicklisp/quicklisp-projects/issues/1561 > > There are some interesting links, mostly about the Nix system. See > the > > https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/5048b0d1f9e908665a01c35f49b2d9816128e089/pkgs/development/lisp-modules/quicklisp-to-nix-output/swank.nix > Having taken just a quick look at what's there, it seems that the approach is fairly different from what we're doing. They're using the default asdf build target, and I think they must be relying on output translations having been set up right to avoid re-compilation. I'm trying to get a Nix OS VM set up to play around with what's there. > file: I think it would have given us a clear hint with > ~asdFilesToKeep = ["swank.asd"];~, had we looked at Nix before. > It looks like they're doing that in all of the packages. In general, we shouldn't expect to have to bring definitions from upstream's asd file into our own. Asdf's best practices documentation warns against it. Also, they're using upstream slime, unlike your package, so I don't think anything is being compiled at all. The difference here between Nix's system and ours is that they're using the upstream asd file to load the system, whereas we generate our own just for the build's output. This allows us to load the compiled file (or files) directly, without having to rely on mapping source files to compiled files. > I haven't looked to closely into what else Nix is doing to package > Common Lisp, but it seems rather complete. Any good idea we could > borrow, Andy? It'd be nice to have an importer. Maybe we can use Nix's work to reduce the amount of investigation needed to get there. -- Andy ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* bug#32770: Packaging SLIME/SWANK as Common Lisp library 2018-10-02 8:55 ` Andy Patterson @ 2018-10-02 10:24 ` Pierre Neidhardt 2018-10-03 5:22 ` Andy Patterson 0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Pierre Neidhardt @ 2018-10-02 10:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andy Patterson; +Cc: 32770 [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 569 bytes --] > It'd be nice to have an importer. Maybe we can use Nix's work to > reduce the amount of investigation needed to get there. Absolutely. ASDF is good enough that the vast majority of CL libraries can be packaged without an itch. If we could use Quicklisp or http://quickdocs.org/ to write a recursive importer, we could get programs like Next browser packaged in one go but for a couple of tweaks for the 2-3 odd packages. Let me know if you want to work on this, otherwise I'll give it a shot. -- Pierre Neidhardt https://ambrevar.xyz/ [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 487 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* bug#32770: Packaging SLIME/SWANK as Common Lisp library 2018-10-02 10:24 ` Pierre Neidhardt @ 2018-10-03 5:22 ` Andy Patterson 2018-10-03 18:34 ` Pierre Neidhardt 0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Andy Patterson @ 2018-10-03 5:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Pierre Neidhardt; +Cc: 32770 Hi Pierre, On Tue, 02 Oct 2018 12:24:29 +0200 Pierre Neidhardt <mail@ambrevar.xyz> wrote: > > It'd be nice to have an importer. Maybe we can use Nix's work to > > reduce the amount of investigation needed to get there. > > Absolutely. ASDF is good enough that the vast majority of CL > libraries can be packaged without an itch. > > If we could use Quicklisp or > > http://quickdocs.org/ > > to write a recursive importer, we could get programs like Next > browser packaged in one go but for a couple of tweaks for the 2-3 odd > packages. > > Let me know if you want to work on this, otherwise I'll give it a > shot. > I'd like to be involved as I have some ideas on things we could do differently from Nix that I'd begun investigating. I'll elaborate more once I get the chance to organize my thoughts. Thanks, -- Andy ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* bug#32770: Packaging SLIME/SWANK as Common Lisp library 2018-10-03 5:22 ` Andy Patterson @ 2018-10-03 18:34 ` Pierre Neidhardt 2018-10-03 19:48 ` Pierre Neidhardt 2018-10-04 5:03 ` Andy Patterson 0 siblings, 2 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Pierre Neidhardt @ 2018-10-03 18:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andy Patterson; +Cc: 32770 [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 951 bytes --] Last (hopefully?) step before getting Next up and running: add support for CFFI. I've re-used your CFFI package and they seem to work. Now if I want to package cl-sqlite, it fails because sqlite.so cannot be found. Indeed, the patch to /gnu/store/...-sqlite.../lib must be added to the cffi:*foreign-library-directories* global variable before compiling. If I do that from quicklisp, it works. Now I guess we need to tweak asdf-build-system so that packages can specify which paths to add to that global variable. Makes sense? I've given it a quick shot (patch attached) but then every ASDF build fails with --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- ice-9/boot-9.scm:222:17: In procedure map1: Syntax error: unknown location: unexpected syntax in form () --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- I'm still lacking good knowledge of the asdf build system. I'll give it a closer look tomorrow. [-- Warning: decoded text below may be mangled, UTF-8 assumed --] [-- Attachment #1.2: 0001-cffi-support.patch --] [-- Type: text/x-patch, Size: 3212 bytes --] From 1c4b9b915086b0fdfb4229f5bbfa5aecff784f42 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Pierre Neidhardt <mail@ambrevar.xyz> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2018 20:27:00 +0200 Subject: [PATCH] cffi support --- guix/build-system/asdf.scm | 2 ++ guix/build/asdf-build-system.scm | 4 ++-- guix/build/lisp-utils.scm | 5 ++++- 3 files changed, 8 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-) diff --git a/guix/build-system/asdf.scm b/guix/build-system/asdf.scm index 57e294d74..37c219460 100644 --- a/guix/build-system/asdf.scm +++ b/guix/build-system/asdf.scm @@ -266,6 +266,7 @@ set up using CL source package conventions." (tests? #t) (asd-file #f) (asd-system-name #f) + (cffi-foreign-library-directories '()) (test-asd-file #f) (phases '(@ (guix build asdf-build-system) %standard-phases)) @@ -298,6 +299,7 @@ set up using CL source package conventions." #:asd-file ,(or asd-file (string-append system-name ".asd")) #:asd-system-name ,system-name #:test-asd-file ,test-asd-file + #:cffi-foreign-library-directories ,cffi-foreign-library-directories #:system ,system #:tests? ,tests? #:phases ,phases diff --git a/guix/build/asdf-build-system.scm b/guix/build/asdf-build-system.scm index dd6373b33..7d879ddb9 100644 --- a/guix/build/asdf-build-system.scm +++ b/guix/build/asdf-build-system.scm @@ -106,7 +106,7 @@ valid." (delete-file-recursively "systems"))) #t) -(define* (build #:key outputs inputs asd-file asd-system-name +(define* (build #:key outputs inputs asd-file asd-system-name cffi-foreign-library-directories #:allow-other-keys) "Compile the system." (let* ((out (library-output outputs)) @@ -121,7 +121,7 @@ valid." (setenv "HOME" out) ; ecl's asdf sometimes wants to create $HOME/.cache - (compile-system asd-system-name asd-file) + (compile-system asd-system-name asd-file cffi-foreign-library-directories) ;; As above, ecl will sometimes create this even though it doesn't use it diff --git a/guix/build/lisp-utils.scm b/guix/build/lisp-utils.scm index 5dea30486..5d7b5afd0 100644 --- a/guix/build/lisp-utils.scm +++ b/guix/build/lisp-utils.scm @@ -149,13 +149,16 @@ with PROGRAM." `(asdf:load-system ,system)) systems)) -(define (compile-system system asd-file) +(define* (compile-system system asd-file #:optional cffi-foreign-library-directories) "Use a lisp implementation to compile SYSTEM using asdf. Load ASD-FILE first." (lisp-eval-program `((require :asdf) (let ((*package* (find-package :asdf))) (load ,asd-file)) + ,(unless (null? cffi-foreign-library-directories) + `(progn (require :cffi) + (setq cffi:*foreign-library-directories* ,cffi-foreign-library-directories))) (asdf:operate 'asdf:compile-bundle-op ,system)))) (define (system-dependencies system asd-file) -- 2.19.0 [-- Attachment #1.3: Type: text/plain, Size: 48 bytes --] -- Pierre Neidhardt https://ambrevar.xyz/ [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 487 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply related [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* bug#32770: Packaging SLIME/SWANK as Common Lisp library 2018-10-03 18:34 ` Pierre Neidhardt @ 2018-10-03 19:48 ` Pierre Neidhardt 2018-10-04 5:03 ` Andy Patterson 1 sibling, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Pierre Neidhardt @ 2018-10-03 19:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andy Patterson; +Cc: 32770 [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 117 bytes --] Hmmm, I should have posted this on Next's bug, not this one, sorry. -- Pierre Neidhardt https://ambrevar.xyz/ [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 487 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* bug#32770: Packaging SLIME/SWANK as Common Lisp library 2018-10-03 18:34 ` Pierre Neidhardt 2018-10-03 19:48 ` Pierre Neidhardt @ 2018-10-04 5:03 ` Andy Patterson 2018-10-04 8:37 ` Pierre Neidhardt 1 sibling, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Andy Patterson @ 2018-10-04 5:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Pierre Neidhardt; +Cc: 32770 Hi, On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 20:34:24 +0200 Pierre Neidhardt <mail@ambrevar.xyz> wrote: > Last (hopefully?) step before getting Next up and running: add > support for CFFI. > > I've re-used your CFFI package and they seem to work. Now if I want > to package cl-sqlite, it fails because sqlite.so cannot be found. > Indeed, the patch to /gnu/store/...-sqlite.../lib must be added to the > cffi:*foreign-library-directories* global variable before compiling. > > If I do that from quicklisp, it works. Now I guess we need to tweak > asdf-build-system so that packages can specify which paths to add to > that global variable. I've been using a cffi consumer for a while now, and my approach for that package was to update references to library and header files with the full paths to their respective store items. Adding to *foreign-library-directories* at compile time may allow a package to compile, but I get the feeling that it may not have the desired effect when you try to load the package later on. I guess another approach we could take if replacement is undesirable would be to modify the cffi package to honour some environment variable for its default, and then add that variable to the search path for cffi. Maybe such a variable already exists, even. I think this is the approach that Nix takes. I personally tend to favour replacement, but others could chime in here as well since this problem isn't specific to lisp packaging. > > Makes sense? > > I've given it a quick shot (patch attached) but then every ASDF build > fails with > > --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- > ice-9/boot-9.scm:222:17: In procedure map1: > Syntax error: > unknown location: unexpected syntax in form () > --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- > It's confusing, but you either need to double quote the default argument (e.g. (cffi-foreign-library-directories ''())), or re-quote the unquoted variable when you pass it along, depending on how you want users to specify the argument in the package (quoted for the former, unquoted for the latter). Hoping that helps, -- Andy ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* bug#32770: Packaging SLIME/SWANK as Common Lisp library 2018-10-04 5:03 ` Andy Patterson @ 2018-10-04 8:37 ` Pierre Neidhardt 2018-10-04 18:08 ` Ricardo Wurmus 2018-10-05 4:56 ` Andy Patterson 0 siblings, 2 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Pierre Neidhardt @ 2018-10-04 8:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andy Patterson; +Cc: 32770 [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1574 bytes --] CC-ing Ludovic and Ricardo if they want to chime in. Thanks for the feedback, Andy, so invaluable as always. > I've been using a cffi consumer for a while now, and my approach for > that package was to update references to library and header files with > the full paths to their respective store items. Cool! Can you share this package? Or provide an example? Can't wait to get this up and running! > Adding to *foreign-library-directories* at compile time may allow a > package to compile, but I get the feeling that it may not have the > desired effect when you try to load the package later on. Why? In my experience it works for a compiled Next executable. > I guess another approach we could take if replacement is undesirable > would be to modify the cffi package to honour some environment variable > for its default, and then add that variable to the search path for > cffi. The cffi:*foreign-library-directories* approach got recommended to me on the CFFI mailing list. I find it similar to what you want, a sort of environment variable (a search-path global variable). I haven't looked into Nix. > I personally tend to favour replacement, but others could chime in here > as well since this problem isn't specific to lisp packaging. Could this be automated? What I like with cffi:*foreign-library-directories* is that we could automatically push (string-append (assoc-ref inputs "foo") "/lib) to it so that packages only have to write something like #:cffi-packages (list ,cl-sqlite ,cl-foo...) -- Pierre Neidhardt https://ambrevar.xyz/ [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 487 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* bug#32770: Packaging SLIME/SWANK as Common Lisp library 2018-10-04 8:37 ` Pierre Neidhardt @ 2018-10-04 18:08 ` Ricardo Wurmus 2018-10-04 20:38 ` Pierre Neidhardt 2018-10-05 4:56 ` Andy Patterson 1 sibling, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Ricardo Wurmus @ 2018-10-04 18:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Pierre Neidhardt; +Cc: 32770 Hi, >> Adding to *foreign-library-directories* at compile time may allow a >> package to compile, but I get the feeling that it may not have the >> desired effect when you try to load the package later on. > > Why? In my experience it works for a compiled Next executable. > >> I guess another approach we could take if replacement is undesirable >> would be to modify the cffi package to honour some environment variable >> for its default, and then add that variable to the search path for >> cffi. > > The cffi:*foreign-library-directories* approach got recommended to me on > the CFFI mailing list. I find it similar to what you want, a sort of > environment variable (a search-path global variable). I haven't looked > into Nix. > >> I personally tend to favour replacement, but others could chime in here >> as well since this problem isn't specific to lisp packaging. We usually replace plain references to libraries with exact store paths. > Could this be automated? What I like with cffi:*foreign-library-directories* is > that we could automatically push > > (string-append (assoc-ref inputs "foo") "/lib) > > to it so that packages only have to write something like > > #:cffi-packages (list ,cl-sqlite ,cl-foo...) This sounds useful, but to me it feels like wrapping executables in LD_LIBRARY_PATH, which we try hard to avoid. When using cffi:*foreign-library-directories* how would we deal with cases where we have more than one package specifying cffi-packages? Would this option need to be considered for every package in the package closure? Would it need to be handled by a profile hook in case these packages are installed? -- Ricardo ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* bug#32770: Packaging SLIME/SWANK as Common Lisp library 2018-10-04 18:08 ` Ricardo Wurmus @ 2018-10-04 20:38 ` Pierre Neidhardt 2019-10-06 11:53 ` Pierre Neidhardt 0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Pierre Neidhardt @ 2018-10-04 20:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ricardo Wurmus; +Cc: 32770 [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 819 bytes --] > This sounds useful, but to me it feels like wrapping executables in > LD_LIBRARY_PATH, which we try hard to avoid. > > When using cffi:*foreign-library-directories* how would we deal with > cases where we have more than one package specifying cffi-packages? > Would this option need to be considered for every package in the package > closure? Would it need to be handled by a profile hook in case these > packages are installed? Every new path is appended to the list, and CFFI looks for the first matching library. This means that there could be conflicts if two packages feature the same library name (which could be the case when a library is built with different flags for instance). I think you are right, we should go with Andy's approach. -- Pierre Neidhardt https://ambrevar.xyz/ [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 487 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* bug#32770: Packaging SLIME/SWANK as Common Lisp library 2018-10-04 20:38 ` Pierre Neidhardt @ 2019-10-06 11:53 ` Pierre Neidhardt 0 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Pierre Neidhardt @ 2019-10-06 11:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ricardo Wurmus; +Cc: 32770 [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 102 bytes --] Fixed with 2026204a13515aaa9b7814f9a6f0a60b65493bd1. -- Pierre Neidhardt https://ambrevar.xyz/ [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 487 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* bug#32770: Packaging SLIME/SWANK as Common Lisp library 2018-10-04 8:37 ` Pierre Neidhardt 2018-10-04 18:08 ` Ricardo Wurmus @ 2018-10-05 4:56 ` Andy Patterson 2018-10-05 8:28 ` Pierre Neidhardt 1 sibling, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Andy Patterson @ 2018-10-05 4:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Pierre Neidhardt; +Cc: 32770 Hi Pierre, I've seen your later e-mail but I'd still like to answer some of your questions here. On Thu, 04 Oct 2018 10:37:08 +0200 Pierre Neidhardt <mail@ambrevar.xyz> wrote: > CC-ing Ludovic and Ricardo if they want to chime in. > > Thanks for the feedback, Andy, so invaluable as always. > > > I've been using a cffi consumer for a while now, and my approach for > > that package was to update references to library and header files > > with the full paths to their respective store items. > > Cool! Can you share this package? Or provide an example? > Can't wait to get this up and running! Sure, I'll append it. > > > Adding to *foreign-library-directories* at compile time may allow a > > package to compile, but I get the feeling that it may not have the > > desired effect when you try to load the package later on. > > Why? In my experience it works for a compiled Next executable. I assume that you created this executable by saving the lisp image? If that's the case, then it probably saved your *foreign-library-directories* with the values you added to it. What I'm considering is consumers of the libraries which should still work if you load them from a fresh lisp session with no configuration. I haven't looked into it yet but I don't think loading the library would work in that case. > > > I guess another approach we could take if replacement is undesirable > > would be to modify the cffi package to honour some environment > > variable for its default, and then add that variable to the search > > path for cffi. > > The cffi:*foreign-library-directories* approach got recommended to me > on the CFFI mailing list. I find it similar to what you want, a sort > of environment variable (a search-path global variable). I haven't > looked into Nix. > > > I personally tend to favour replacement, but others could chime in > > here as well since this problem isn't specific to lisp packaging. > > Could this be automated? What I like with > cffi:*foreign-library-directories* is that we could automatically push > > (string-append (assoc-ref inputs "foo") "/lib) > > to it so that packages only have to write something like > > #:cffi-packages (list ,cl-sqlite ,cl-foo...) > Based on what you've written here, I guess that you're thinking of adding to the *foreign-library-directories* for the consumers of cffi-based packages. I thought you meant to do it for those packages themselves. I think that might require some packages to propagate the c libraries that they depend on. In terms of automating things, it might be possible to do something with *foreign-library-directories* in the asd files that we generate. To be honest though, I think the fact that replacement can't be automated is more of a bug in the libraries' build tooling. What I'm thinking of is something like a configure script to set the library paths before building is done. I think there are some examples of guile projects which do just that. It might be something that we could discuss with the lisp and asdf community. -- Andy --- I think this package might include some dependencies that aren't upstreamed yet but it should provide the gist of it. (define sbcl-cl-freetype2 (let ((revision "1") (commit "5e4c9ff898f84c888f7e4bfb3402ee35abbf8ad9")) (package (name "sbcl-cl-freetype2") (version (string-append "1.1-" revision "." (string-take commit 7))) (source (origin (method git-fetch) (uri (git-reference (url "https://github.com/rpav/cl-freetype2.git") (commit commit))) (sha256 (base32 "0xmpswm65g5qq85n9nl5blqij2hw4nd4nc143nxhc77w49nf613d")) (file-name (string-append "cl-freetype2-next-" version "-checkout")))) (build-system asdf-build-system/sbcl) (inputs `(("freetype" ,freetype) ("sbcl-alexandria" ,sbcl-alexandria) ("sbcl-cffi" ,sbcl-cffi) ("sbcl-trivial-garbage" ,sbcl-trivial-garbage))) (native-inputs `(("tests:cl-fiveam" ,sbcl-fiveam) ("asdf:cl-cffi-grovel" ,sbcl-cffi-grovel))) (arguments '(#:phases (modify-phases %standard-phases (add-after 'unpack 'fix-paths (lambda* (#:key inputs #:allow-other-keys) (define freetype (assoc-ref inputs "freetype")) (substitute* "src/ffi/ft2-lib.lisp" (("libfreetype" all) (string-append freetype "/lib/" all))) (substitute* "src/ffi/grovel/grovel-freetype2.lisp" (("/usr/include") (string-append freetype "/include")))))))) (home-page "https://github.com/rpav/cl-freetype2") (synopsis "Common Lisp bindings for Freetype 2") (description "This is a general Freetype 2 wrapper for Common Lisp using CFFI. It's geared toward both using Freetype directly by providing a simplified API, as well as providing access to the underlying C structures and functions for use with other libraries which may also use Freetype.") (license license:bsd-3)))) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* bug#32770: Packaging SLIME/SWANK as Common Lisp library 2018-10-05 4:56 ` Andy Patterson @ 2018-10-05 8:28 ` Pierre Neidhardt 2018-10-05 11:44 ` Ricardo Wurmus 0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Pierre Neidhardt @ 2018-10-05 8:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andy Patterson; +Cc: 32770 [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1492 bytes --] > Sure, I'll append it. Great, thanks! > What > I'm considering is consumers of the libraries which should still work > if you load them from a fresh lisp session with no configuration. > > I haven't looked into it yet but I don't think loading the library > would work in that case. Are you saying that 'compile-bundle' would discard the global variable? I'm still rather new to Common Lisp so let me know if I get it right: - Compiling a bundle only compiles the target files, it discards the other global values. - Saving an image keeps everything, including global variables. > > #:cffi-packages (list ,cl-sqlite ,cl-foo...) > > > > Based on what you've written here, I guess that you're thinking of > adding to the *foreign-library-directories* for the consumers of > cffi-based packages. I thought you meant to do it for those packages > themselves. Sorry, you understood right at first, I wanted to write --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- (define-public sbcl-cl-sqlite #:cffi-packages (list ,sqlite ,foo...) --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- > What I'm > thinking of is something like a configure script to set the library > paths before building is done. I think there are some examples of > guile projects which do just that. Hmm, I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Could you provide an example? -- Pierre Neidhardt https://ambrevar.xyz/ [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 487 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* bug#32770: Packaging SLIME/SWANK as Common Lisp library 2018-10-05 8:28 ` Pierre Neidhardt @ 2018-10-05 11:44 ` Ricardo Wurmus 2018-10-05 13:30 ` Pierre Neidhardt 0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Ricardo Wurmus @ 2018-10-05 11:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Pierre Neidhardt; +Cc: 32770 Pierre Neidhardt <mail@ambrevar.xyz> writes: >> What I'm >> thinking of is something like a configure script to set the library >> paths before building is done. I think there are some examples of >> guile projects which do just that. > > Hmm, I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Could you provide an example? In “guile-sly”, for example, the configure script accepts “--with-libfreeimage-prefix=” and “--with-libgslcblas-prefix=”, which are then used to construct a full path to the libraries. In other cases where the build system does not provide a mechanism for this we need to patch the sources such as in “guile-dbi”. -- Ricardo ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* bug#32770: Packaging SLIME/SWANK as Common Lisp library 2018-10-05 11:44 ` Ricardo Wurmus @ 2018-10-05 13:30 ` Pierre Neidhardt 2018-10-10 5:54 ` Andy Patterson 0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Pierre Neidhardt @ 2018-10-05 13:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ricardo Wurmus; +Cc: 32770 [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 507 bytes --] > In “guile-sly”, for example, the configure script accepts > “--with-libfreeimage-prefix=” and “--with-libgslcblas-prefix=”, which > are then used to construct a full path to the libraries. In other cases > where the build system does not provide a mechanism for this we need to > patch the sources such as in “guile-dbi”. But as far I know of, most Common Lisp packages don't provide a configure script. So can this apply here? -- Pierre Neidhardt https://ambrevar.xyz/ [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 487 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* bug#32770: Packaging SLIME/SWANK as Common Lisp library 2018-10-05 13:30 ` Pierre Neidhardt @ 2018-10-10 5:54 ` Andy Patterson 0 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Andy Patterson @ 2018-10-10 5:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Pierre Neidhardt; +Cc: 32770 Hi Pierre, On Fri, 05 Oct 2018 15:30:03 +0200 Pierre Neidhardt <mail@ambrevar.xyz> wrote: > > In “guile-sly”, for example, the configure script accepts > > “--with-libfreeimage-prefix=” and “--with-libgslcblas-prefix=”, > > which are then used to construct a full path to the libraries. In > > other cases where the build system does not provide a mechanism for > > this we need to patch the sources such as in “guile-dbi”. > > But as far I know of, most Common Lisp packages don't provide a > configure script. So can this apply here? > I was suggesting that lisp packages should adopt some configuration mechanism, either through scripts or by something that asdf could take care of. It's something that I think we could discuss with the upstream communities once we have a good grasp on our use case. -- Andy ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
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