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That=E2=80=99s= I translate into > =C2=ABthe real issue is to let people knowing such change=C2=BB. :-) No no. The problem is that there *will* be material out there explaining Guix in terms of =E2=80=98guix environment=E2=80=99, people *wil= l* stumble on it, and it=E2=80=99s important to keep it working long enough so people can update their material. Ludo=E2=80=99.