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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1655729597; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=LERDt1zF8foxbi6pcf6Ikg+gbzN1agCINkYgaWdlTcI=; b=ZbVFb0bVwWG0rMN7Jak7NDbljdpPgaDMhUZP6JLpZ0/RgQZZJLxPKi5DuYetl9bq0jbJqF PfyKataOOgJfVaNJ4Zfh1uAgbUNTQ0IaZ3+wZRy1i5pvlDe04TidonfkKhWzDdnFVDXe0V JgxFvCDx0tshHeBs1umHOMXuRD7sZPhTYqkbhksKeWFNuW7EWERICuwCDmpDo3dQzgppBj xorsD9moE5Z2TAZJfLF14huVcko/7z3ZYpSlrwUsccB6r9WXyYaTRsvp9NCaOEIDNEfR2M rmbiEwvt2JhREw8wfcyAg0AmxCNAjlMI0jnMSFzFLRPXmYlQ7Cqn9SyuyazM9Q== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1655729597; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=EN0XPN+1+rn2hnGP/BDLZLCQMSF/G0mLQtIwcphnD6TMNB3voVTX8extgGWXchHmIbYSlH wopRvDdhI/UhAAe0Cw5O+PwAkSQjnMHbRDmEmPozNplldyWFvSmO6YVJ9yx0DzhZlNdOsn xar6OXOMQKqRYYVOzkJpYvHAfUzm3dReqN2E5NT8IXXU5xMTjHzOy0OgPZMYPMCbUsWeHd vP4wukYbP7LMXL1cW+sirsLe3H+NBTznrmJlPpTXTJqskkGhzxiRd26ju0C/CYJqGrbRKd QciSD2Z4oP2X6OCINwDxJznGDPdHL5r4oOdvCm07UtMmsH/fdoIViHk+UTlOQw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=systemreboot.net header.s=default header.b=a3Yqb7vV; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=systemreboot.net (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 7.73 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=systemreboot.net header.s=default header.b=a3Yqb7vV; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=systemreboot.net (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 6A5D930BA7 X-Spam-Score: 7.73 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: kry6eYGludOa >> Also, should we remove old/broken/unused/rarely-used packages from Guix? >> In the past, I have packaged and contributed very niche packages which >> probably no one else uses, and sometimes even I don't use anymore. But, >> these packages continue to stay in Guix and add to the maintenance >> burden. Should we have some policy to phase out such packages, >> especially if such packages break often? I mean, that there is no need >> to phase out an elisp package that builds trivially all the time, but >> what about more complex packages that take many many hours to maintain? > > I think they should be removed. This could link to the maintainer > comment above. If a package is identified as old or broken, then users > could be notified, and after a =E2=80=9Ccooling off=E2=80=9D period they = are > removed. This could allow for discussion about whether removal is > appropriate, or whether someone else would step up and update the > package. Under Gentoo (the distro I know well, having used it since > 2004), obsolete and problematic packages are hard masked, and users > notified why, and when removal from the repository will occur. The > hard masking prevents new installations (almost - you can make some > additional configuration changes to enable installation). Users then > have a choice - support the resolution of the issues leading to hard > masking, or move the package definition to a personal repository so it > can continue to be used (at their own risk). Regarding rarely used > packages - I wouldn=E2=80=99t remove these if there is a maintainer for t= hem > and they are still being kept up to date. If this no longer happens, > then they are in the old/broken category. I like this idea. We already have a way to mark packages as deprecated. The Gentoo method seems like a way to mark packages that are "about to be deprecated". I like the way it notifies the user of the impending deprecation without the user having to subscribe to the mailing list or the issue tracker. > I guess the big question for me is =E2=80=9Ccould this be automated in so= me > way?=E2=80=9D Indeed, it's all a matter of somebody implementing the tooling! ;-) Like Ludo mentioned, Cuirass and the Guix data service may be involved in determining which packages are frequently broken. >> I don't have strong opinions on these questions. I would love to hear >> what others think. >>=20 > > I hope my comments are useful! Definitely, thanks!