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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -6.04 X-Spam-Score: -6.04 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 0FD4992BA5 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx10.migadu.com X-TUID: Nf86bXW3AM9O Hi Richard, On Tue, 07 Jan 2025 at 23:16, Richard Stallman wrote: > The task here is to distribute Info manuals in a few > platform-independent non-source forms, perhaps Info and HTML. Perhaps > PDF files too. That is so much simpler than what Guix has to do that > using Guix for this would be a quick and dirty hack. > > The task here can be done with something much simpler, and if we > decide to do it, writing a clean solution won't take very long. > And it will be simpler to understand than Guix. I am not sure to understand: This list is guix-devel hence we speak about using Guix for many tasks. :-) Even more, I am convinced that GNU Guix is a perfect basis for distributing GNU packages to heterogeneous platforms which do not use Guix themselves. For instance, see command =E2=80=99guix pack=E2=80=99 [1]. BTW, you wrote: =C2=AB Guix is a GNU/Linux distribution, designed for building packages. =C2=BB and IMHO it=E2=80=99s a partial view of what Guix= is. Guix is a tool for composing and sharing computational environments; and building packages is one brick. Well, for me, the best explanation of what Guix means is to say =E2=80=9CThe Emacs of Distros=E2=80=9D [2]. As w= ritten in Guile manual (9.1.1 The Emacs Thesis): Emacs, when it was first created in its GNU form in 1984, was a new take on the problem of =E2=80=9Chow to make a program=E2=80=9D. The Em= acs thesis is that it is delightful to create composite programs based on an orthogonal kernel written in a low-level language together with a powerful, high-level extension language. And Guix follows this Emacs thesis at the scale of a computational environment, IHMO. Where the =E2=80=9Ckernel=E2=80=9D reads =E2=80=99guix-= daemon=E2=80=99 processing derivations [3] and =E2=80=9Chigh-level language=E2=80=9D reads Guile/Schem= e. 1: https://guix.gnu.org/manual/devel/en/guix.html#Invoking-guix-pack 2: https://archive.fosdem.org/2015/schedule/event/the_emacs_of_distros/ 3: https://guix.gnu.org/manual/devel/en/guix.html#Derivations Cheers, simon