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From: Leo Prikler <leo.prikler@student.tugraz.at>
To: Maxim Cournoyer <maxim.cournoyer@gmail.com>
Cc: 45316@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#45316: [PATCH]: Re-introduce Emacs packages specific installation prefix.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2020 09:51:51 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <878dbbdf4883d509865a1049c11fbe9ae792cace.camel@student.tugraz.at> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87ft3ysen7.fsf@gmail.com>

Hello Maxim,

As someone, who lobbied for the current status quo, I have some
thoughts to share.

Am Montag, den 21.12.2020, 22:28 -0500 schrieb Maxim Cournoyer:
> The Emacs packages built with the Emacs built system used to be
> installed in a sub-directory under the share/emacs/guix.d/ directory,
> but this was changed in commit
> 65a7dd2950ca13a8b942b2836260a2192351b271
> shortly after having accommodated the site-start.el machinery to
> enable
> loading packages from any profile (via the EMACSLOADPATH search path
> specification).
Won't this reintroduce <https://bugs.gnu.org/38309> then?

> While this change allowed to expose simply and directly the packages
> found in EMACSLOADPATH, it does introduce the risk of file name
> collisions when multiple Emacs packages are joined in the same
> profile,
> especially with Emacs packages increasing in complexity (e.g., using
> more than a single .el file!) and expecting to have both their
> sources
> and resources extracted under their own nested directory rather than
> as
> a flat collection (ELPA, MELPA).

> One recent example I stumbled on was attempting to use the
> emacs-yasnippet-snippets package along with emacs-elpy; both wanted
> to
> install a 'snippets' directory to share/emacs/site-lisp/snippets,
> collided and resulted in problems that prove difficult to understand.
I believe that to be a problem in those packages.  Data should not be
installed into share/emacs/site-lisp, but share/emacs/etc.  See for
instance also emacs-telega, which – while not quite adhering to the
above – installs its data in share/emacs/{telega-contrib,telega-data}.

Regardless of what you intend to do with site-lisp otherwise, data
files should *not*, I repeat *not* be installed there.  I do believe
standardizing share/emacs/etc is the way to go, however.

> This is what motivated this patch series, where the site-start.el
> auxiliary code used for package discovery is extended to support
> packages installed in their own directory under a 'share/emacs/guix'
> installation prefix, via Emacs' own package library!
> 
> The emacs-build-system is updated for this new installation prefix,
> as
> well as existing packages and documentation.  Parting with a directly
> usable EMACSLOADPATH means that site-start.el *must* run for packages
> to
> appear in the load-path; that means for running a test suite, the -Q
> or
> --quick Emacs options cannot be used, since it implies --no-site-
> file.
Having no usable EMACSLOADPATH sounds like a dealbreaker to me.  Could
one be restored by using direct subdirectories to share/emacs/site-lisp 
or would that merely be a cosmetic change?

> + Avoid inter-package file name collisions.
Note: This regards data, which should not be stored in site-lisp to
begin with.  You don't get any benefits doing this for code, because
Emacs has no strong module system.
> + Better integration with user installed packages via M-x
> package-install.  The Guix-installed packages are listed in M-x
> package-list as 'external'.
That does sounds like a genuine pro to me.
> - Slightly more complex loader (although much of it is offloaded to
>   package.el), thus slightly slower (see the comparison below).
That should be bearable.
> - Requires to ensure every package's test suite doesn't make use of
> -Q.
That not so much.  Note, that test cases are not the only use for -Q!

> In my opinion the benefits outweighs the cons by a comfortable
> margin,
> especially with the boring work of adapting the package collection
> already done.
> 
> To test the performance of the new approach, the following manifest
> file
> was used to test the rebuild of the ~900 Emacs packages making use of
> the Emacs build system:
> 
> A simple benchmark testing the performance of the activation of the
> hundreds of Emacs packages was then run using:
> 
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> $ ./pre-inst-env guix environment --pure -m emacs-packages-
> manifest.scm \
>                                   --ad-hoc emacs
> [env]$ /run/setuid-programs/sudo /bin/sh -c 'echo 3 >
> /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches'
> [env]$ emacs --batch --no-site-file \
>     --eval="(progn (require 'guix-emacs) \
>                    (require 'benchmark) \
>                    (message \"(total gc-count gc-time) = %s\" \
>                             (benchmark-run 1 (guix-emacs-autoload-
> packages))))"
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
> 
> On the master branch:
> 
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> [...]
> Loading /gnu/store/qajc70c7nqycs1301ram8s3x7k9ibg5f-
> profile/share/emacs/site-lisp/zotxt-autoloads...
> Loading /gnu/store/qajc70c7nqycs1301ram8s3x7k9ibg5f-
> profile/share/emacs/site-lisp/zoutline-autoloads...
> Loading /gnu/store/qajc70c7nqycs1301ram8s3x7k9ibg5f-
> profile/share/emacs/site-lisp/ztree-autoloads...
> (total gc-count gc-time) = (25.242400751 13 0.189669369)
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
> 
> Or about 0.65 s on a warm cache.
> 
> On a branch with these changes:
> 
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> Error loading autoloads: (file-missing Cannot open load file No such
> file or directory kotl/kotl-autoloads)
> Error loading autoloads: (file-missing Cannot open load file No such
> file or directory helm-easymenu)
> Error loading autoloads: (file-missing Cannot open load file No such
> file or directory /gnu/store/ryh0rasi9frm98dkd3kbck6hya6hn2qr-
> profile/share/emacs/site-lisp/guix/flycheck-cpplint-0.1-
> 1.1d8a090/flycheck-cpplint-autoloads)
> Error loading autoloads: (file-missing Cannot open load file No such
> file or directory /gnu/store/ryh0rasi9frm98dkd3kbck6hya6hn2qr-
> profile/share/emacs/site-lisp/guix/evil-anzu-0.03/evil-anzu-
> autoloads)
> Error loading autoloads: (file-missing Cannot open load file No such
> file or directory /gnu/store/ryh0rasi9frm98dkd3kbck6hya6hn2qr-
> profile/share/emacs/site-lisp/guix/erc-image-0-3.82fb387/erc-image-
> autoloads)
> ad-handle-definition: `ido-completing-read' got redefined
> Error loading autoloads: (file-missing Cannot open load file No such
> file or directory tex-site)
> (total gc-count gc-time) = (26.175704339 47 0.783184412)
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
> 
> Or about 3 seconds on a warm cache.
Looking at these, total does not seem to have changed much, but gc-
count and gc-time more than tripled.  Any idea on how to mitigate this
or do we have to live with that?

> There a 6 errors that would need to be looked into, but I these look
> like actual packaging problems rather than new issues.  The
> previously
> used way to load the autoloads, '(load f 'noerror)' would have masked
> them.
Regardless of how we handle site-lisp going forward, please do look
into those issues and perhaps file them against the individual packages
if they also cause (other) trouble using the current setup.

Regards,
Leo






  reply	other threads:[~2020-12-22  8:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-29  2:02 bug#47458: Terrible UX upgrading Emacs in Guix Mark H Weaver
2021-03-29  8:07 ` Leo Prikler
2021-03-29  8:24   ` Maxime Devos
2021-03-29  8:43     ` Leo Prikler
2021-03-29 15:55 ` [bug#45359] " Ludovic Courtès
2021-03-29 15:55 ` Ludovic Courtès
2021-03-29 18:25   ` bug#45359: " Maxim Cournoyer
2020-12-22  3:28     ` [bug#45359] [PATCH]: Re-introduce Emacs packages specific installation prefix Maxim Cournoyer
2020-12-22  8:51       ` Leo Prikler [this message]
2020-12-22 18:09         ` bug#45316: " Maxim Cournoyer
2020-12-22 19:10           ` Leo Prikler
2020-12-26  5:01             ` Maxim Cournoyer
2020-12-26 10:56               ` Leo Prikler
2020-12-27  4:44                 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2020-12-27  8:46                   ` Leo Prikler
     [not found]       ` <handler.45359.D45359.161704236132600.notifdone@debbugs.gnu.org>
2021-03-29 18:45         ` [bug#45359] closed (Re: bug#47458: Terrible UX upgrading Emacs in Guix) Maxim Cournoyer
2021-03-29 18:48         ` bug#45359: [PATCH]: Re-introduce Emacs packages specific installation prefix Maxim Cournoyer
2021-03-30  8:04     ` [bug#45359] bug#47458: Terrible UX upgrading Emacs in Guix Ludovic Courtès
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2020-12-18 22:00 bug#45316: [PATCH]: Re-introduce Emacs packages specific installation prefix Maxim Cournoyer
2020-09-26  6:11 [bug#43627] [PATCH core-updates]: Add a 'append-separator?' field to the <search-path-specification> record Maxim Cournoyer
2020-09-26  6:14 ` [bug#43627] [PATCH core-updates 1/3] guix: Add an append-separator? " Maxim Cournoyer
2020-09-26  6:14   ` [bug#43627] [PATCH core-updates 2/3] gnu: emacs: Use the new append-separator? option to define its search path Maxim Cournoyer
2020-09-26  6:14   ` [bug#43627] [PATCH core-updates 3/3] Revert "emacs-build-system: Ensure the core libraries appear last in the load path." Maxim Cournoyer
2020-09-27 19:01 ` [bug#43627] [PATCH core-updates]: Add a 'append-separator?' field to the <search-path-specification> record Ludovic Courtès
2020-10-03 21:22   ` Maxim Cournoyer
2020-11-02 13:59     ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-11-08  5:49       ` Maxim Cournoyer
2021-03-30 15:51 ` [bug#43627] [PATCH core-updates v2 1/2] guix: Add an append-separator? " Maxim Cournoyer
2021-03-30 15:51   ` [bug#43627] [PATCH core-updates v2 2/2] gnu: emacs: Use the new append-separator? option to define its search path Maxim Cournoyer
2021-04-10 20:42   ` [bug#43627] [PATCH core-updates v2 1/2] guix: Add an append-separator? field to the <search-path-specification> record Ludovic Courtès
2021-05-20 14:24     ` bug#43627: " Maxim Cournoyer
2021-03-30 18:41 ` [bug#43627] [PATCH] gnu: emacs: Wrap EMACSLOADPATH Leo Prikler
2021-04-04  4:35   ` bug#47458: Terrible UX upgrading Emacs in Guix Maxim Cournoyer
2021-04-04  7:49     ` Leo Prikler
2021-04-06 12:09       ` Maxim Cournoyer
2021-04-06 15:49         ` Leo Prikler
2021-04-07 19:46           ` Maxim Cournoyer
2021-05-20 13:24             ` Maxim Cournoyer

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