From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp0 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id 8MB4K3fWyl7BWgAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Sun, 24 May 2020 20:17:59 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp0 with LMTPS id uM1DJ3fWyl7CBwAA1q6Kng (envelope-from ) for ; Sun, 24 May 2020 20:17:59 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A125B9400C3 for ; Sun, 24 May 2020 20:17:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:49078 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jcx4G-0006rg-K7 for larch@yhetil.org; Sun, 24 May 2020 16:17:56 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41474) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jcx46-0006rJ-LR for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 May 2020 16:17:48 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:37194) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jcx45-00077P-L0; Sun, 24 May 2020 16:17:45 -0400 Received: from [2a01:e0a:1d:7270:af76:b9b:ca24:c465] (port=54788 helo=ribbon) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jcx44-0004Gv-TU; Sun, 24 May 2020 16:17:45 -0400 From: =?utf-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= To: Mathieu Othacehe Subject: Re: Towards a graphical installer? References: <87k11iwqim.fsf@gnu.org> <20200511162909.4shsuvtnbxfyvuv2@pelzflorian.localdomain> <87pnb847y3.fsf@gnu.org> X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 6 Prairial an 228 de la =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=A9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 22:17:43 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87pnb847y3.fsf@gnu.org> (Mathieu Othacehe's message of "Wed, 13 May 2020 09:20:36 +0200") Message-ID: <877dx12il4.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Scanner: scn0 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.01 X-TUID: jTEf6ayEj84V Hello, Mathieu Othacehe skribis: > I think switching to a DE based installer could: > > * Allow the user to browse for some questions or contact #guix while in > the installation process. > > * Bring better control of network connection, with a dedicated tool such > as NetworkManager applet. I think the Connman-based option we currently have is pretty good (modulo the WiFi bug we had ;-)) and has the advantage of being well integrated, no? > * Make easier to add accessibility support to the installer. Really? Text-based interfaces tend to lend themselves well to accessibility support, I think, with things like BRLTTY. I would think that using a graphical DE is more challenging because one has to know how to navigate between windows, how to query the currently-focused window, etc., which requires a screen reader like Orca or similar, which is not really a panacea. I also wonder whether the extra hundreds of megabytes for =E2=80=9Cjust=E2= =80=9D running a terminal under X11 are warranted. It would be a different story if the installer itself were graphical. But at any rate, I think closure size is an issue. Thoughts? Ludo=E2=80=99.